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So George Kamitani, the artist behind Dragon's Crown, stuck his foot in his mouth and said something really stupid on Facebook.
So let me explain what he said and why, why it was stupid, and why I'm offended. I lashed out on Twitter, and I think that my response, while genuine, was also rather perplexing to some people. But that's Twitter for you: its immediacy means that you get a realtime feed of thoughts and feelings as they happen.
Kotaku's Jason Schreier took George Kamitani to task for the character designs in Dragon's Crown, an upcoming game Kamitani's studio, Vanillaware, is developing for Atlus. Many of characters are incredibly over-the-top women in ridiculous states of undress.

Aside: What bugs me -- maybe not Schreier, as I didn't read his original blog post -- is not so much their bodies as their FACES. With the Amazon, that pretty, petite face stuck on that massive body -- it's surreal and it cements the reality that the male gaze is at play here.
All the same, the art is so over-the-top that it comes across as ridiculous (to me, at any rate) and hyperstylized. As someone pointed out to me on Twitter, it's a riff on the Boris Vallejo style fantasy novel cover: Barbarian women in bikinis. The effect is so strange that I actually don't find it all that offensive. But I can totally understand why people do, and I certainly wouldn't tell them not to. Especially today...
Kamitani responded to Schreier like this:
 If you can't read the caption, it says: "It seems that Mr. Jason Schreier of Kotaku is pleased also with neither sorceress nor amazon. The art of the direction which he likes was prepared."
Now, let me address what's going on here.
This is casual homophobia. What Kamitani is saying is "if you don't think my characters are sexy, check out these dudes." Yes, it's pretty tame, but it's still damaging, and I'll explain why.
First, yes -- it's not intended to hurt anyone's feelings, but that's the problem with it. If the person who makes the joke assumes that it doesn't hurt anybody, it's because he's assuming that nobody who might conceivably be hurt by it is paying attention. Either he thinks Dragon's Crown isn't for them, or he thinks they don't like video games, or that they don't even exist -- who knows what?
Second: Being gay is a punchline. This is lazy humor. Lindy West writes about this really intelligently a lot (I'd go find her posts on this for you, but I'm too busy to do it and she's too great, so just strap in and take a spin through her writing yourself.) Lazy people make gay jokes, because they know they can get a laugh with no effort.
Third: The picture is of large, muscular, bearded guys. Gross, right? Who could be sexually attracted to that? Well, me, for starters. While the actual picture in question doesn't do it for me, that's broadly the type of guy I like. So now I feel stupid because George Kamitani thinks this is ridiculous.
So here's where I'm at when I see his comment. Normal morning, and then suddenly, I find out that the creator of a game I'm looking forward to thinks I'm invisible to him, then that I'm ridiculous to him, too. And my immediate reaction is to feel betrayed.
I feel betrayed specifically because of the game that this is, and who this creator is.
Dragon's Crown is a niche game. All of Vanillaware's games are. When Odin Sphere appeared I was floored -- so floored that, in my previous life as a consumer-focused game journalist, I grossly overrated it simply because of what it represented: beautiful 2D art and complicated action-RPG gameplay. It pushed my buttons, and I wanted to reward it, whatever deficiencies it might actually have.
And with that game, I became a fan of Vanillaware. Over the years, I've really been pulling for this studio -- the underdog. As Dragon's Crown began to attract negative attention for its character designs, I stayed out of it, because I just am so happy that the studio even exists that I don't want to jinx it.
There are not a lot of studios pushing the art of 2D graphics like Vanillaware is. Barely anyone is producing high-resolution 2D games anymore, and Kamitani, while idiosyncratic, is also incredibly talented. It's a niche that I am ecstatic to see filled.
And then this. I'm hurt because I feel that Kamitani played me for a fool.
He didn't, of course. He doesn't even know I exist; he doesn't know anything about me. In fact, his comments rather suggest that, don't they? If Kamitani knew he had gay fans, he probably wouldn't say things like that. That's the point.
So, no: What Kamitani said wasn't tantamount to true, virulent, Proposition 8-style homophobia -- the kind that knows I exist and is determined to make it as difficult as possible for me to do so. The kind that in fact is deliberately designed to negate me.
It's just an offhand remark -- it's even ambiguous enough that I had to explain why it was anti-gay to people on Twitter (which is partially what inspired this blog post.)
Am I overreacting, though? Whenever this topic comes up, people good naturedly suggest that -- and, in my view, that's adding insult to injury. It wasn't that bad, was it? Well, sure -- if it doesn't affect you, it isn't that bad.
At my heart I'm just a gay dork who likes video games way too much, and on that level -- that's where it stings. Not the journalist, of course. Not the professional. Not the guy who knows that things are changing in the real world day by day.
But I'm a gay nerd. For Kamitani, that's apparently half okay and half impossible. And you don't want the people you respect to negate you. It's that simple.
To turn it back to "Gamasutra material," so to speak, I'd just urge developers out there who are speaking publicly to not forget that just because you don't know somebody exists, whatever their gender, race, sexuality, religion, ability -- however they might differ from you or from your conception of your audience -- doesn't mean they don't. And they might like your games. So be thoughtful and respectful.
It's that simple.
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Upon further inspection it seems that the joke could be taking a jab at his sexual orientation though (notice how the male dudes are almost on top of each other, one with his hands on top of the other). In the context of the game though (which imo is far more important than this little altercation) i'd say that the main meaning behind the art style is most certainly not homophobic. One of the main ways i would defend Vanillaware is by their careful balancing of female and male protagonists (again - see Muramasa). Just making the sorceress a playable character with strong abilities shows a gender openess that is completely lacking in a lot of contemporary 'teenage' male fantasies like Infamous and Uncharted to name a few. If we're going to start criticizing game artists for pushing gender agendas then lets call the dice where they lie.
It's true that you could interpret this in many many ways, but if he actually think carefully and realize that he has gay fans and they could take this as a jab to gay people, he would have stopped and done something else. Say, drawing a non-big breasts sorceress, for example.
The fact that he didn't and this happened, most likely means that he didn't think about the gay audience. Doesn't matter what his intention was. The harm is already done, unfortunately. It's good that he apologizes though.
George Kamitani is an industry veteran whose been making games since the early 90's.
He's been a games designer, producer, director, artist.
He founded his own company, Vanillaware, which is known for its distinct visual style, all done by Kamitani. He is a very rare breed, a man who is extremely versatile, an artist who creates games.
And Jason Schreier dismisses him as a 14 year old boy that is 'cheap to hire'... by the own company he founded.
Kamitani responded to accusations that he 'only sexualizes women!' and "dwarves aren't a sexual fantasy!" with a playful drawing of three very happy, very sexualized muscular bearded men. He then hoped Jason could enjoy Dragon's Crown.
Jason never apologized, demanded an apology from Kamitani (which Kamitani gave), and continues his attack on Kamitani.
That is the full story, the one that wasn't written on this Gamasutra article.
It should also be pointed out that Christian Nutt's reaction to the drawing of smiling, burly men was "FAG joke!!" You can see his use of hateful, demeaning, homophobic language on his twitter right here:
https://twitter.com/ferricide/status/326750771083358208
You can see more anger spurred use of the word 'fag' in other defenders of Jason where they cry "he called Jason a FAG!!" and are up in arms:
https://twitter.com/aegies/status/326734022942273536
These people who so casually use demeaning language are the ones writing this article, and many more articles on 'games journalism'
The sad fact is that in the world we live in, you're allowed to attack and berate someone as an individual, but the second you make a slightly off color joke regarding someone's sexuality, race, sex, or religion then someone like Christian will vilify you as part of their agenda.
If a kid insults another kid, the average kindergarten teacher will say something like "just because he started it doesn't mean you have to finish it." In other words, there's not a person on earth who doesn't know you don't have to respond to a cheap insult.
Even if it's defensible that he struck back, he certainly didn't have to strike back with a gay joke. As I said, it's lazy and alienating.
As far as calling me a homophobe, well, good luck with that. "Fag joke" was a bitter response *to* homophobia, not an expression *of* it. If you can't see that I would posit that you are not really paying attention to what went on here.
More importantly, however, is the fact that you've actually admitted to leaving out the other half, and the whole context, of the event in your article. Which is just poor reported. I understand that you have an opinion, but objectivity should be what you are striving for, at least.
- This is not a report or a news story. It is a blog post. I realize that the distinction may be lost, particularly as (a) I am a staff member of the site on which this blog post was posted, but it is not news. It is my feelings and thoughts about something that happened and (b) it sure doesn't exist on other sites. But for me and for Gamasutra it definitely does.
I mean, it's clearly not "news." That much should be obvious to anyone.
- This is not about Jason's original assertion toward Kamitani. It is not about sexism in Dragon's Crown. It is specifically about Kamitani's response and his WORDS as much as the picture he posted -- in fact much more about his words.
Position clarified?
Yes Kamitani was wrong to return Schreier's insults (and they were insults not constructive criticsm) but I dont think its right to try to make this about something huge when we dont really know Kamitani's views on homosexuality. I am still going to buy Dragon's Crown because that's what video game needs more of in an era were more often than not the character design is simply the voice actor.
The same can not be said for Jason Schreier's articles, video game journalism doesnt need more people who are more obsessed with how many page views their articles received instead of actual critques.
He probably isn't a bigot, but he did assume that all of his fans are heterosexual males.
Homosexuality is not a joke and when it appears in stuff like anime it does make me uncomfortable. Despite being hetrosexual myself I can certainly see why you would feel like you are invisble since the stuff aimed at gay men (as opposed to female otaku) tend to be drastically in the minority.
Kamitani was responding to accusations that 'only the women are sexualized!' by showing that yes, a burly muscular man with a full beard IS also sexual. He oiled them up and showed them having a good time.
I really feel like this is a willful misinterpretation by Jason, who refuses to apologize for calling the Founder/Artist/Designer of Vanillaware, George Kamitani, a "14 year old boy that's cheap to hire".
There is a huge problem with arrogant, snarky writers who would rather demean than understand, and this is just that problem come to light.
And why you didn't saw it? I have problems understanding how somebody can write an article on this subject, without checking even the basic facts (here: what was said by whom?).
By the way, it's still up on Kotaku:
http://kotaku.com/game-developers-really-need-to-stop-letting-teen age-boy-472724
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Kind of a side note, but are we lumping heteronormative in with homophobia in all cases now? I hope not. You can be heternomative and still support gay rights.
Oh absolutely not. I guess I listed both because I'd have a hard time characterizing Kamitani's response. That's a potentially dangerous proximity I created and didn't mean to. Thanks.
but now I'm convinced that it was just a straight personal response and it is offensive. And I think even he realized that too as he had deleted that FB post.
The attack on Kamitani is "he hyper sexualizes women!" and "the MEN aren't sexualized the same!!"
Kamitani replied to this by drawing an image of muscular, bearded men having a good time. To show that sexualization is about context, that yes, even something HYPER MASCULINE can also be HYPER SEXUAL. He then hoped Jason could enjoy Dragon's Crown with a smile.
This is very good natured of Kamitani to take the time out of his day to sit down and draw that lovely image of happy burly men. It is unfortunate that Jason chooses to not apologize for his insult that began this, he demanded an apology (and Kamitani even gave one).
What is deeply disturbing is this vitrolic response towards a gay image. You'll see on twitter that Jason's defenders instantly tweeted "he called Jason a FAG!!". That's what they felt anger over. They chose a hateful demeaning word to express how they felt.
Look at Christian Nutt's twitter, he calls that skillful painting "a fag joke", his demeaning language expresses what he really feels.
I've seen it happen with my own eyes. The previous article on Dragon's Crown simply said "this game is beautiful!"
the next article was Jason's, titled "They really need to stop letting 14 year old boys design games"
the NEXT article after that, by the same author who said "this game looks beautiful!" now goes "omg what a ROIDED UP VIKING". I was watching snark cancer spread in real time, man...
It really makes me angry that this is the state of 'journalism' in our industry. These are the people who write about how their industry needs to "mature" and be "taken seriously", yet they will call industry veterans like George Kamitani, a man who has been designer, producer, director, artist and FOUNDER of his very own company, a "cheap to hire 14 year old boy"
You'll also notice this network of writers covering each other. This 'Christian Nutt' writing this article instantly went on twitter to tweet "Kamitani called Jason a FAG!!" in outrage. It is humorous that in this article he calls Kamitani a homophobe when Christian himself is so ready to use hateful, demeaning, homophobic language. Jason Schreier's other defenders have also been throwing that word around.
Are THESE the kinds of people videogame developers are beholden to? If things stay as they are, yes, and that is truly vile.
and THOSE are the people who say "games need to mature!" as they trash the real creators of the industry to drive more hits to their articles.
1. Kotaku staff are NOT paid by page views or hits, they are paid salary that is not dependant on traffic or individual page views. This has been confirmed by Stephen Totilo (EIC) among other Kotaku and Gawker staff numerous times.
2. Totilo is a pretty standup guy. On quite a few occassions I've called him out (aggressive questioning, would probably be more accurate) on behavior or reporting that didn't sit right with me. Every time he has personally responded (through twitter or on kotaku directly) about the situation and even if I didn't always agree with his stance, his integrity to defend it was always something I admired especially among the 'fire and forget' articles that you see quite often on other sites.
3. One of the newer members of kotaku (Patricia Hernandez) has written some great stuff on gamer culture, covering a wide variety of topics that I don't think I've seen on some of the more mainstream sites. Furry Expos, the culture behind youtube montages and interviewing some of the popular twitch/justin.tv streamers are just some examples of interesting reads.
Andy Lee Chaisiri: As far as analytics go, I've never heard of alexa.com nor do I understand how an API (apparently, it's a toolbar? lolwut?) would determine the race of largely anonymous traffic to a site.
Jason should've published a proper article discussing the issue instead of a click bait. What he did was the sort of reactionary article that he published that pushes people away from an issue. You can't be aggressive if you want people to care about the issue Jason so sloppily tried to approach.
THAT SAID, there is the issue of the language and cultural barrier. Language barrier is a big unknown and homosexuality, historically, in Japan is... weird by our standards. Both very much more part of the culture while also not quite protecting it from humor and derision. In my experience (again as a straight dude, so what you think about any of this would be interesting to me) they seem more willing to sorta embrace homoerotic subtexts in ways that are a bit tongue in cheek but still serious (Fist of the North Star comes to mind). So when I see a well rendered and very well done bara-esque picture of 3 drawves that clearly took more than a few hours to make, well... outside of the context, it doesn't feel very mocking to me. It actually seems, out of context, to be kinda sincere. I mean, as an artist, I don't think I'd be willing to spend a few hours drawing, rendering and shading a picture like that to make the type of joke he did. I mean that's basically "I'm calling you gay buy spending hours drawing something really gay" and that seems to have the opposite of the desired effect.
While we can't know what he meant (or if he meant exactly what he said), I'm dep down hoping it's sorta like what Eric Furtado said: "Oh well you don't like that I just sexualize ladies. Well here. Here you go". I can't in good conscious assume thats what he meant to say, but I can't take the facebook post at face value because there is a lot of lingual and cultural value. I think we should just be happy he took it down and people on tumblr are reposting the artwork non-ironically.
Anyways Christian, yeah.. this is confusing. I wish I knew someone who could better comment on this. But regardless, because I forgot to write it before, I wanna thank you for delivering what I've always thought to be the most important lesson -- to stop and think. I think no matter how we slice George's intention, stopping and thinking would have still helped him save a lot of face in that exchange.
George Kamitani has apologized showing that in this arguement he can and will be the adult.
The gay comment was a juvenile kneek jerk reaction to the criticism and does come off as a homophobic jab given the context it has been said in for a long time. However this is one country to another, and male and female sexuality has some simularities in westernized culture. But the problem has always, in my opinion, come down to under repesentation and over representation of what people consider pleasing. What has been represented in entertainment the most? When something under repesented is represented,is it done in a tasteful manner that doesn't offend over half of the posibble consumer base? If it does is offend a large group of people is that the intent of the content?
Maybe knee jerk reactions get us talking about these things but I feel like It's harder to push under repersented lifestyles because of fear of the unknown mob that will insue. I feel more offended by some off handed comment that suggest men are being heterosexual adolessents because of thier visual taste, and I feel that if the response to that was a bit more clever or sarcastically snarky it would have come of as better recieved, but it would have still had that offencive stench of the 'lol are you gay' punch line. So both of them failed in engaging thier viewpoint on the matter because each one comments assumed that people are more generalized in appeal than diverse in lifestyles.
Jason Schreier used very insulting language on an industry veteran, George Kamitani, saying that he can only sexualize women, that the males aren't as sexualized.
Kamitani gives a playful response, if you are going to complain about sexualize women, have some sexualized men. They are men resembling the dwarf in Dragon's Crown, the character decried as "un-sexual"
That's the humor of the response, that sexuality is really about context, he has managed to make BURLY MUSCLY BEARDED MEN even MORE sexual than the object of Jason's scorn.
That's the humor behind it, but Christian Nutt calls it a "FAG joke". That's what he wrote on twitter, he chose to use the most demeaning, hateful language to express homosexuality, to express his disgust at this image of burly, smiling men that Kamitani drew for Jason.
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding here. I'm gay. I was expressing my frustration and hurt at what I perceived (and continue to perceive) as a joke at the expense of gays.
Maybe this is another cross-cultural miscommunication, but my use of the word "fag" was specifically to express exactly how Kamitani's comment made me FEEL, not as a demeaning term to be wielded *against* gay people. In other words, I saw his joke as anti-gay, and thus used that term to label it as homophobia.
This is fairly common use in English, especially among the gay community, of which I am a part. But perhaps it doesn't communicate at all outside of native English speakers or American English speakers -- or even the San Francisco Bay Area. I honestly can't say.
Yes, it was uncareful language but I was absolutely not feeling careful. I was feeling demeaned, and that initial tweet was my expression.
If you perceived my tweet as homophobic language it tells me that I should choose my words more carefully in the future. Like Kamitani, I have to be aware of my potential audience.
"UPDATE: Kamitani sent me a message this afternoon, in Japanese. Wired's Chris Kohler helped me translate: "While the picture of the dwarfs was meant to be a lighthearted joke, after it became bigger than I thought it would, I reflected on the rashness of it. I am sorry. I have no hard feelings about the article."
I wish people stopped reading between the lines when there's nothing to read. Or was it an assumption? How about assuming that Kamitani himself is gay or bisexual? Oh no, now he's throwing his sexual preferences at poor Jason.
No, he wasn't bashing any particular sexual orientation and yes, it was a lazy gay joke (wasn't that what Will & Grace was, didn't watch much) but what he basically said was that if Jason didn't like the girls, he's probably gay and should like that set of art instead.
No one is talking about how generic the dwarf is (always a short, bulky, bearded guy) or that the wizard has a feminine look. The current hot topic is equality and taking jabs at an artist depiction of the female body guarantees those sought out clicks.
Stop it, everyone. Gender equality is an important issue and all of these so called game journalists are diluting the issue with their constant bickering of "I bet some women are offended by this so let's hinge on that hot topic and call it sexist".
Jason's first post was immature and Kamitani's response was juvenile. I see no problem with both. But there was no need to write another post and make this look like part of a bigger, more important issue rather than just commenting "haha, oh that joker", since Kamitani was poking fun at Jason and not insulting him nor anyone. He even later commented that he liked Kotaku in his facebook post.
I think everyone needs a bit of leeway and I fear that isn't going to be possible in the near future since someone will always find a way to be offended by something and be too vocal about it.
I want to be taken seriously, but I can't contain a fart joke now or then. I'm doomed. :(
... and one guy liked the dwarf, because he is a squat muscular bearded guy hahah.
The "cultural barrier" argument just seems like rubbish to me. You don't get out of being called a racist/sexist/homophobe just because that's the cultural norm. Sure we can be more sympathetic to that person (eg Kamitani) and I don't suggest making him feel like he is a bad person. But it's important to call out bad behaviour when it occurs, regardless of the country of origin.
I would rather not lose George Kamtiani who is one of the last great art designers we have in gaming just because his homaging something that you object to.
1. Frank Frazetta's art is much, much better
2. Having a famous artist as inspiration doesn't absolve moral concerns. A comedian could put on black face to sing and dance, but the idea that it can be seen as an "homage" doesn't make it any less offensive.
I would rather not keep artists who feed privileged memes in an industry with a severe diversity problem simply because you like him.
Mostly because in this context, it's pointless to be offended. So you are offended someone took a Frazetta and made a style out of it. So what?
Also, so what Frazetta's better? You can only ape an style if you are superior to it?
I wonder what image would Katamani would have created as a response if a woman wrote the article instead of Jason Schreier. Would he have posted something he thought a woman would be attracted to? Would he have dismissed her or aknowledge her?
As a gay developer... yes; I share your feelings, even though I'm not attracted to the kind of men depicted in the image. And it's unrealistic for everyone to share them at this point (we're not at that point yet), but I think everyone should understand them.
Is it OK then to make such jokes only in private, when we know no-one can hear them or see them?
Does that make them OK? I guess that's a separate discussion.
In any case, I don't think you overreacted, as I don't think offended women overreact either when they make their voices heard, just like they recently did. Only then society identifies problems and acts on them.
I'm glad Kamitani apologized; because that means he got something good out of it. When people get hurt -yourself or others- usually there's a great opportunity for learning.
But seriously, since that first post that Kamitani replied to I was wondering if there were any women that wrote positively or negatively about Dragon's Crown. Anyone got links?
On Neogaf right now the author of the article is arguing with actual women who say they don't really see the big deal about the game and how they find it somewhat lame that a single man somehow speaks for all women.
It seems to me that in general this discussion, when dominated by men, is often off-axis and in some ways almost a form of sexism itself - speaking for women without bothering to ask any how they feel, focusing almost exclusively on cleavage. Typical men!
Here's another angle on the game: it has 6 playable characters, 3 are female, all three have very different body types and only one can really be called conventionally attractive. Which in many ways makes it a positive outlier. But instead the story is merely that depicting big boobs is something all you ladies out there should be offended by, and how a niche Vita game that will sell 60k copies is the game that should be made example of.
Bioshock Infinite has zero playable female characters, the main female protagonist is someone in the "you'll want to save and protect her" vein, in mechanical terms exists to aid the male hero, and by the way looks like Real Doll: Disney Princess Edition. But her cleavage is at least partially obscured by a corset worn voluntarily, so it's all good.
Secondly, you are claiming that one man can't speak for all women (last I checked I don't think he claimed he was), completely invalidating his right to an opinion. Then hypocritically you are claiming that a handful of women on neogaf speak for the entire female population. An individual not being upset by something doesn't mean it's not offensive nor potentially damaging.
Sure, the original article wasn't a lengthy dissertation about the state of the portrayal of women in the game industry, but it wasn't meant to be. It was meant to be a joke about the blatant pandering to the "OMG BOOBIES" crowd. Kamitani's response is a little offensive (making homosexuality a punchline as the article says) but I don't see the deep homophobic implications that Kamitani doesn't acknowledge or want gay fans.
In the end, it kinda seems like everyone is starting (yet another) internet war over nothing.
Now, how do you feel, as a homosexual, about Christian Nutt, the man accusing George Kamitani of being a homophobe, calling that drawing of burly dwarves a "FAG joke" ?
You can see it on his twitter right here:
https://twitter.com/ferricide/status/326750771083358208
You can see more anger spurred use of the word 'fag' in other defenders of Jason:
https://twitter.com/aegies/status/326734022942273536
Remember, THESE are the people who are claiming to represent YOUR interests. These are the people getting retweeted to spread hate for Kamitani and defending the kind of sensationalist, demeaning journalism that dismissively calls an industry veteran a "14 year old boy"
However, I seem to lack the ability to get offended by stuff. Maybe I'm too numb, but I basically expect people in charge of game companies to be ignorantly dismissive/oppressive to gay people, so it's just a pleasant surprise if they aren't. But maybe I should start holding them to higher standards.
Anyway I'm glad you explained for people what comments like his imply and are based on.
The good part of this piece is how Christian describes how the comment made him feel. That was genuine. Everything else is nonsense. He doesn't know gay people exist or could be playing his game? Really? I can totally see how one statement can lead only to this rather severe conclusion. And you are glad that he explained to people what to think and what someone else is thinking. Damn. This kind of shit is crazy when Glenn Beck does it, but I guess it's totally okay here.
What Kamitani intended doesn't necessarily matter- people make comments that are unintentionally dismissive and oppressive all the time. You don't have to care or think or feel anything about that, but I think we should at least be able to acknowledge it. Personally that's the part I enjoyed more than how it made Christian feel.
Don't come crying to me when the only triple A games left are Call of Duty: Zombie Warfare 3.
Atlus is not a AAA developer or publisher, but is also not a public service that needs to be defended. They're a mid-sized brand of a holdings company. I have dozens of their games, and I think some of them are the best games ever. Probably my favorite publisher, even if These days they're just as quick to monetize and leverage and pander as anyone else. If you think they're the "last great" anything you've missed out on some really great stuff going on elsewhere.
I'm not punishing anyone by not buying a game I'm no longer interested in. It's not as dramatic as that.
It is interesting to watch a new generation overthrow the previous one's rigid and backwards views on sexuality and replace it with new, different but equally rigid and backwards views on sexuality.
Now I'm going to draw tits. Big ones.
Being a pretty regular straight dude, I find the burly dudes with beards a more appealing picture - it looks a bit better, the characters' are built slightly more believably, they're faces look in place on their bodies (unlike the amazon), and they seem to have emotions. So, yeah, I find the way this "Amazon" picture is trying to pander to my heterosexuality insulting.
I find it a bit more interesting that you correctly point out that the first image has this hyper-thin model face stuck on the hugely muscled large woman. Face liposuction? Or at least face bone reduction since she's not exactly sporting any fat to begin with.
My feeling is that he's not particularly dissing on your lifestyle or tastes. Consider for a moment - if the original artwork had been a big burly and underclad fellow which was then badmouthed, and he responded by offering a piece of art depicting some hyperthin women mud wrestling, would he have been insulting heterosexuality?
So yes, I fully acknowledge that there is a great deal of cultural anti-gay bias that pervades many 'normal' interactions, but I wonder if in this case you are looking for offense where none really needs to be there. It is easy to be so pissed off by the subject in general, that you overapply the search for examples.
I guess only you can truly decide that. Best wishes.
Look at how Jason Schreier's defenders on twitter are outraged over that "he called Jason a FAG!"
https://twitter.com/aegies/status/326734022942273536
https://twitter.com/ferricide/status/326750771083358208
and the people who use this demeaning, homophobic language are saying they are on the side of right?
David, you can also see on this comments page that there ARE homosexual men on Gamasutra commenting, and they do not take offense, some actually enjoy the image of hunky masculinity Kamitani drew!
That's really the essence of what I find wrong with gaming journalism today, this ignorance, this sensationalism, all to drive more hits.
Also, there is a character that is pretty much one of the guys in the picture. Maybe the artist was merely showing off his men? "Oh hey you don't like my females, have a sexy picture about my dwarves."
My "bear" loving friend enjoyed the dwarf picture and he intends of picking the Dwarf as his main character once the game comes out.
https://twitter.com/ferricide/status/326750771083358208
You can see more 'friends' of Jason Schreier tweeting how angry and insulted they are for their dear Jason to be called a 'fag'
https://twitter.com/aegies/status/326734022942273536
These people who so freely use demeaning, homophobic language, are in turn spinning the news to call Kamitani the homophobe!
Seriously, this is crazy!
What's left out of Christian Nutt's article is what Jason Schreier said about George Kamitani, where he calls him a "14 year old boy that was probably cheap to hire"
George Kamitani is an industry veteran whose been making games since the early 90's.
He's been a games designer, producer, director, artist.
He founded his own company, Vanillaware, which is known for its distinct visual style, all done by Kamitani. He is a very rare breed, an artist who creates games. Amazing.
And Jason Schreier dismisses him as a 14 year old boy that is 'cheap to hire'... by the own company he founded. Either he is ignorant (then why is he a GAMES journalist if he doesn't know about his subject?) or more likely, he just wants to insult to get more hits to his writing.
George Kamitani gave a good natured response to the criticism of "you only oversexualize women!" with a loving rendition of three very masculine, very sexualized, bearded men having a good time, very humorous. Kamitani then goes and says "I hope Jason can enjoy Dragon's Crown!". Jason simply replies with more venom, not even apologizing for his insult.
*I've noticed that on twitter that the writer of this article, Christian Nutt, calls it a "fag Joke".
https://twitter.com/ferricide/status/326750771083358208
Is hateful, demeaning homphobic language REALLY the FIRST thing that comes to mind when you see Kamitani respond to accusations of 'only sexualizing women' with sexualized males?
This is a trend of Jason Schreier's "friends", Arthur Gies, expresses his anger with the words "he called Jason a FAG!" More hateful, demeaning language towards homosexuals.
https://twitter.com/aegies/status/326734022942273536
And THOSE are the people who say they're decrying homophobia? Absurd.
What I expected from Gamasutra is articles or news that makes game developer's life better. It's sad to see an article that is created sorely of a closed-mind journalist's anger.
To the topics, I was surprised when I saw the Dragon's Crown's character designs. It's kinda exaggerating the sexual elements of the human bodies, both men and women. But that's all what it is, period.
I don't find the picture of 3 dwarfs posting any homosexual graphic. It may be because I'm from Thailand which I saw half-naked body of men almost everyday, it's kinda norms here (although men hardly touch each others' body).
I'm really good with art, especially art's history or something like that. George's drawing reminds me of Michelangelo's drawing (with, of course, exaggeration).
This is not a defense of Schreier's treatment of Kamitani. It is not a response to it. When I wrote this, I had not even read the original "14 year old" link out article. Schreier is not my concern here.
Yes, his original post is garbage and click-bait. But at the same time, Kamitani chose both to respond to it and the manner of his response. It is really that simple.
As for the imagery itself, it's reminiscent of "bara", a male-homosexuality-themed genre of manga and related media, that unlike BL/yaoi (which is aimed at young women and typically features slender, often near-androgynous men) is centred around men with a more burly physique. Yes, it is often considered comical by people outside of that subculture, but that, I think, has more to do with its dissonance with "conventional" aesthetics than it has with homosexuality conceptually. Like the fat girl with the fat boyfriend in some sitcom. Not very nice to people who look like that or like that sort of thing, but again not suggestive of an aversion to homosexuality itself.
I don't know whether Mr. Kamitani is homophobic or not, but I don't think any conclusions can be made in that regard from this incident.
Kamitani is responding to Jason's slandering with a playful picture. Kamitani's haters are crying out that "only the WOMEN are sexualized!", that "the Dwarf isn't sexual at all!"
Kamitani responds by showing that a squat, bearded, hairy man INDEED can be as equally sexualized as any woman.
Jason has chosen to spin this into more sensationalism. Jason's 'friends' go on twitter using homophobic, demeaning language, so enraged are they at the idea of homosexuality:
https://twitter.com/aegies/status/326734022942273536
https://twitter.com/ferricide/status/326750771083358208
You spent all this time writing about what you think the image means, but did you ask him what it meant when he drew it? Did you ask him if he had considered how the image might offend people, and whether that offense was intended, and whether he is sorry if he offended anyone?
In particular, to me it doesn't seem as if it is fair to infer all these horrible things about the image given that it is wholly consistent with Kamitani's previous work and his work for Dragon's Crown. You can apply as much meaning to the image as you want, but in reality, it was simply a response to a Kotaku author calling Kamitani a '14-year old boy'. He drew something a '14-year old boy' likely wouldn't draw without deviating from the game's style, setting, or existing cast of races/archetypes, which to me helps underscore the ridiculousness of the original complaint.
Of course, it's probably not an appropriate response. When I saw it I thought it was a light hearted way to respond to what was an almost universally poor show by someone who claims to be a games journalist.
I understand if Kamitani's response offended you, and won't deny that you have the right to be offended. But in this case I simply see no reason to justify it beyond your personal feelings, and to spend all this time and energy applying your personal feelings to some sort of personal critique of Kamitani when you seemingly haven't even spoken to him really strikes me as an overreach.
http://www.giantbomb.com/george-kamitani/3040-91082/
Where he writes, "a FAG joke!"
It seems that the first word to come to his mind upon seeing Kamitani's playful drawing of dwarves having a gay time was a demeaning, homophobic slur, to 'defend' the sexuality of his friend.
Jason Schreier's other friends have replied in a like mind:
https://twitter.com/aegies/status/326734022942273536
where Arthur Gies of polygon.com writes "he called Jason a FAG!"
and THESE are the people who are calling Kamitani a homophobe!
There is really no good option for a small company here, let a large media outlet drag you unreasonably through the mud or try to take a stand. To me I saw those dwarfs more as a way to show, hey we're sexualizing men here too! Since the journalist is a man it will of course make a homosexual reference. I don't think it was intended to offend anyone, just to try to clear the bad air about being a sexist company.
Personally, I am way more offended at the complete immaturity and lack of professionalism of the kotaku journalist. You'd think if you were going to run a damning article that could have significant impacts on another company you would do a tiny bit of actual research. Nope! One silly over-sexual character's in the game, must be sexist!
http://i.imgur.com/t4uMY.jpg
Step 1:Kotaku writer insults japanese designer because the design of the female characters doesn't fit into the ideal of women in video games that western game journalists/designers/players have adapted over the last years ("don't show women as something different then soldiers or fighters, under no circumstances show them as sexually active human beings it's ok, if they shoot their counterparts in the face as long, as they are properly dressed")
Step 2: Designer is slightly pissed, but tries to make a joke about it by drawing male characters in a way that doesn't fit into the ideal of men in video games as western game journalists/designers/players have adapted over the last years ("don't show men as something different then soldiers or fighters under no circumstances show them as sexually active human beings it's ok, if they shoot their counterparts in the face as long, as these counterparts are other sexless marine type guys.")
Step 3: Journalists try to defend their colleague, because his crusade against naked women in video games is something many people in the industry hope will help the whole industry to get away in the public discussion with all the killing and torturing in games. "Look, our industry a is clean industry!"
Jason Schreiers "article" was nothing more then a polemic rant against the filthy japanese gaming industry. It should be seen as what it was, a xenophobic insult.
Amazing how anyone can't get the impression:
"What bugs me -- maybe not Schreier, as I didn't read his original blog post "
Ignoring the japanophobe tendencies in the western industry doesn't make them go away.
And ignoring the moral backlash when it comes to sexuality, that the industry is using to cover all the blood and gore isn't helpful either.
Jason Schreier served both the moral backlash and the japanophobia with his post, no need to defend this by attacking Kamitani.
And he did so in a public media.
He apologized; so even himself sees the problem.
Then why some people still attempt to minimize it?
It's purely speculation, but perhaps it's a subconscious attempt to legitimize similar insensitive (perhaps not ill-intentioned) jokes they have done in the past.
If Schreier's article was about homosexuality, I would have interpreted the response in that context, and I would feel the same way as everyone who's upset about this.
But it wasn't, so I don't.
It's also a stretch to put words in someone's mouth when they're not even in a language that person is comfortable with.
I'm usually disgusted with the way gender, race, and sexual orientation are treated in games, but this case seems like the media crying wolf over a joke that is wide open to interpretation. Kotaku and others will continue to do this for the hits, and then nobody will care or pay attention when actual examples of bigotry are pointed out.
The art looks fantastic though, and sometimes hilarious. One of the few fames I'm looking forward to.
That happens way to offen with problems that affect minorities.
But problems, social injustice, crisis and even diseases get solutions because someone complained and raised his or her voice.
(By the way: expressiong one's thoughts and opinions is what BLOGS are for!)
I love Vanillaware and love their stuff, and I'll keep buying their fantastic products.
But just like your opinion is that the art is great, mine is that their aesthetics went this time towards the grotesque.
IMO Velvet, Mercedes and Gwendolyn are superb; the Sorceress and the Amazon just look like porn versions of them. Perhaps Vanillaware wanted to increase their sells (sex surely does that), but that always comes with a cost, and that was the adulteration of their art style.
Being a percieved majority (and we are all minorities on some level) does not prevent one from feeling empathy or understanding injustice. No one's existence on this earth is so unique that it can't be related to.
Perhaps I am affected by the issue. Do you think its right that a well known contributor to a well known industry site should go off half-cocked about some perceived homophobia and possibly seriously damage a company or someone's career (to say nothing of the kotaku scumbag who started it)? This can destroy lives as well. I dont give a shit if its a blog. In this specific case, who is damaging who more, and who is purposely targeting who more?
I have a mentally handicapped brother. Should I feel compelled to try to ruin someone's career because they say something is "retarded" (and no offense is meant) Personally, I dont take offense when offense isn't intended. I think nothing of it.
Or better yet, should I maybe get over myself and not get bent out of shape over every minor slight when there are far more legitimate problems facing homosexuals?
Yes, I agree that taking revenge is never the answer, including attempts to destroy someone's career.
But I hardly believe Chris is trying to do so with his blog. I believe he's just trying to bring awareness.
And I'm very grateful for that.
We desperately need it.
Go into any multiplayer FPS match and you'll know what I'm talking about.
See this link and you'll know what I'm talking about:
http://www.nohomophobes.com/#!/today/
If someone insults your brother, even if offense is not intended, I hope you speak up for his sake and try to bring awareness to the people around you.
You'd be making this world better for him.
People that love me do that for me and I will always be grateful to them.
Yeah, not a good day for Gamasutra when their writers don't look into the whole story. I understand this is your personal blog, Christian, but it's still hosted on Gamasutra and it's misrepresenting the story here. FYI, Kamitani has since apologized for the confusion.
Maybe in real life you can get away with it depending on the tone you use, but in text form...
One can hope.
Nope that just means we are going to get more articles by men about how offended women are by Vanillaware while Jason Scheirer argues with an actual woman about how she doesnt feel offended by Vanillaware.
You know because the one thing keeping games down is a guy who runs a video game company with about 20 people whose best selling game sold like 400,000 copies.
Also, Andy Lee Chaisiri, can you please not respond to this comment with the same misquoting, malformed drivel you've been perpetuating through the entirety of this thread? You browbeat Kotaku repeatedly, yet your repeated posting of the same contextually invalid comments are tantamount to the kind of thread comments you'd see, arguably, on a Kotaku thread.
You've stated your point, now move along.
Its only when Kamitani made the big breasted characters playable characters did people like Ben Kuchera and Jason Schreier actually take notice of them. Now all of a sudden Kamitani is representive of the sexism that exist in gaming despite the fact that until now despite all of Kamitani's games starring women almost always of modest size and clothing his now being presented as this pig of a man who only draws women as big breasted skanks.
Ultimately you see only what you want to see.
I will explain why, please keep on reading.
There is this big misconception that every 'comment' carries an 'universal statement'. That everything ALWAYS talks about "the big picture", no matter how indirect the relationship with "the big picture" actually is.
That's one terrible way to look at things, and makes you extremely prone to over-react.
To provide an example:
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I have been told that if I warn my teenage daughter not to "walk alone at night while wearing 'slutty' clothes" then I am implying that "every men is a pedophile rapist, since men have no self-control and will sexualy abuse of every girl who dares to dress slutty". After all, that's "the big picture", right?
That's wrong, from many points of view. On a neighborhoods were rapes have ocurred, those suggestions are actually extremely useful. And that carries no significanse to "the big picture" whatsoever. Accepting the fact one neighborhood is not safe does not carry the implication that "every man is a rapist".
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In this case, you seem to imply that because he made fun of other guy by joking that he was gay and liked "beared muscular guys", then he is implying that you are either "broken" or that you simply "don't exist". After all, that would be "the big picture".
I disagree, I believe that the image was targeted at a particular guy, and had no bigger goal than to make a lame joke which follows the lines "You think amazones are not hot? That's impossible, my amazones are perfect!... Wait! I get it now! Is not that amazones are not hot, is that perhaps you would like these dudes instead :3".
The reply, in the form of an image, was done using public media.
Using public media has its responsabilities, and should assume anyone can see it (especially if you have fans and followers!).
I think Kamitani has aknowledged it and that's why he apologized.
If he sent his image in private to Schreier, the story probably would have been different.
(I'm not sure that makes it OK)
You're right in your last paragraph.
That was his intention. And there's a problem with it.
And it's alarming when our society is still unable to see it.
But I repeat my previous point, you are just reading too hard. Looking for some "big picture meaning" that it's simply not there. It's pretty harmless humor not intended to offend anyone, I trully don't see an issue with that.
Shows like "Will & Grace" or "Modern Family" have never recieved any complains of this nature for doing "immature gay jokes", and that's about 50% of their punchlines.
A comedy show is impersonal.
Comedy is the reason for their existence and people take them as such.
(And even then they're in constant criticism)
A Facebook page is first and foremost personal.
And again, we're not reading it too hard.
I read it exactly the way you last described it.
The difference is that you don't see a problem with it.
. Far the evidence shows if we took this to a court of law , all George did was show a muscular and yes sexualized dwarf picture far from being explicit . He didn't call anyone a Fag .He didn't use any profanity ,He didn't use any Japanese version of bad slang for gay people . That what we know objectively .. Evidence really just incriminate Jason to be honest( (his supporter and all of kotaku are directly using Sexual insults ) And his opinion piece started out as an insult to get clickbaits . Not to mention there hypocrites if you follow kotaku enough they had no problem promoting this game for months on end .
There no subtlety of interpretation" or big picture. First English not even this developer first language and he not apart of American culture or an American/Western intellectual culture, so all assumption about what people culturally understand as common sense end here . Your going to assume he has a complete knowledge of everything that might offend someone in America Culture? It’s illogical and very arrogant
It the same deal with the doll associated with black face because of similarity in visual appearance (Kotaku bigot Controversy number 1034) If the doll had some relationships to KKK Clan imagery US racism European imperialism or even a remote connection to the West I'd entertain the discussion. But it didn't It a cute mascot no different than doremon shin chan or any other Japanese cartoon creations.
I am African American and it hard for me to logically believe that something, so specific to my people social history would even be comprehended in Japan. That symbol doesn't even make sense in other African cultures contexts , my racial identity is deeply tied to US history/society not transcendent of it . (Not even sure how I would explain racial complexity of America to someone in japan. 99.9 Japanese ). You literally can take any symbol and project your own culture onto it regardless of how subtle or obvious the image is to the viewer
. We do this all the time unconsciously . If I find a phallus sculpture in the middle of the amazon, I can start talking about evil /male domination and war relationships to the penis and project all the common generic opinions on the phallus object. I end up looking like an idiot when I find it was really an object from horticultural society that rarely engages in direct warfare and I had zero evidence for any of my interpretation claims . Be aware of ethnocentrism please.
Is this a serious question?
This entire episode hinges on context and you're saying you straight up didn't read all of the context.
Maybe if drawing those three dwarves in that light in ANY context meant you were a gay-hating homophobe of an artist then you'd have an excuse to not read the initial article, but I hope you sincerely don't think that; the artpiece, while a parody, obviously has a lot of work put into it, I'd hate to think just the picture alone would elicit the same cries of outrage.
This is exactly what Kuchera did, report on the response (drawing those dwarves was homophobic) to a response (this art is degrading and drawn by 14 year olds) instead of the "deeper" issues of the initial response itself, imagined or otherwise.
That's unfair.
You can't just skip the initial context and deal with the response on its own.
This is what he means by defending Schreier, you've basically given him a free pass.
Also to proclaim yourself as an actual fan of VanillaWare and to basically ignore the exact same "extreme to the point of repulsive" character designs when they appeared as antagonists or NPCS in previous Vanillaware games (Raijin in Oboro Muramasa, Odette in Odin Sphere) is to put on selective blinders.
But I get that it wasn't about Jason's article at all and its merits or fallacies.
After all what is context in regards to micro-aggressive gay jokes?
Lesson learned: "many" refers to a number greater than at least two, and in some cases "one".
"With the Amazon, that pretty, petite face stuck on that massive body -- it's surreal and it cements the reality that the male gaze is at play here."
Lesson learned: a woman is (probably) still a woman no matter what the body attached her head looks like. I think. The whole problem stems from the question "In our society, what is a woman supposed to look like and act like?" It can be assumed that a physically well-built woman is too masculine to be a woman.
"The art of the direction which he likes was prepared."
Lesson learned: flipping accusations of sexism on their head will very soon be construed as homophobia. Even when an artist seems very comfortable drawing both woman and men of varying archetypes.
Way too many judgements are based appearance without first obtaining or waiting for clarifying details.
Question: If George Kamitani were a woman, would this situation be different?
To make an INSPECIFIC point -- i.e. I am NOT talking about Kinu from this point forward --
I believe in internalized sexism, just like I believe in internalized homophobia, because I lived it. So sure, anything's possible.
in the same way that some have said mr Kamitani was being childish by responding with that art, i think an immediate knee-jerk "gay joke" assumption is a bit of a childish and over-sensitive reaction. mr Nutt, i think that if you and mr Schreier were hurt by the artwork from mr Kamitani, it is regrettable, but i also think that you should have stepped back from your emotional response for a few moments to think about the context of what he was saying and drawing before assuming that he was "obviously" poking fun at anybody for being gay.
i understand that there are very sensitive and anonymous-ly vocal people on the internet, but a man who is an accomplished artist used art to make a counterpoint to an article (words) posted by an professional journalist. perhaps it was too much to ask that outside observers handle the exchange civilly. in context, a fan/follower of kotaku read an article about his work by a guy who is a fan/follower of his own and responded in his own respective medium. to attempt to read anything more into it without *knowing* there is more to it is a great disservice to those involved. seeing as you admit it is quite difficult to know, while i do not wish to devalue your strong emotional response, i also do not think your emotional response should be so quickly voiced when you are both visible and masterful in the medium you have chosen.
if everybody had to be hyper-culturally-aware (am i offending someone in a differnet country/race/gender/class/education level/ethnicity by posting this?), both kotaku and facebook would probably be proverbial ghost towns. the freedom to speak and potentially offend should not be limited to those posting on kotaku. if mr Schreier had to be accountable to me for hurting my feelings by posting his articles on kotaku, perhaps he would also have to publicly apologize or face the administrative firing squad. is that a world you want to live in? i certainly do not. i would much rather both of these men have the freedom to post and speak without fear of losing their jobs, even if one man or the other happens to make me sad or angry now and then.
We receive many requests from companies to create publicity illustrations for the game, but we never received any requests for the Dwarf. Also, as the game’s street date nears, most retail shops start requesting exclusive art for their retailer-exclusive bonus items. In Japan, these illustration requests can even be as specific as something like female characters in swimwear. In these requests as well, the Dwarf was nowhere to be seen.
So, I decided to unofficially draw a sweaty Dwarf in a bathing suit, with a bit of cynicism towards those retailer requests. I drew 3 of them to show that there are character color variations available."
Hmmm....sounds like this Kamitani fellow is a truly wretched human being.
Where he went wrong was posting it with the "lol ur gay" kinda comment/attitude.