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  Judge Accuses Microsoft Of Courtroom Shenanigans In Ongoing Xbox Live Suit
by Kris Graft
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July 2, 2009
 
Judge Accuses Microsoft Of Courtroom Shenanigans In Ongoing Xbox Live Suit
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After nearly five years of litigation, Microsoft is still butting heads with patent holders who filed suit against the Xbox house for patent infringement -- and a U.S. District Court Judge is getting cranky.

In 2004, Peter A. Hochstein and Jeffrey Tenenbaum filed suit against Microsoft and Sony, accusing the companies of infringing on the 1994 patent, "Apparatus and method for electrically connecting remotely located video games." The pair said Microsoft and Sony infringed on the patent with Xbox Live and Sony's gaming network, now known as PlayStation Network.

Sony settled out of court in April this year, according to a report on the video game patent specialist site Patent Arcade, but Microsoft is still a defendant in the case.

Now, a U.S. District Court judge has accused Microsoft lawyers of courtroom shenanigans that he said were intended to delay proceedings.

In May this year, Judge Paul D. Borman denied Microsoft's lawyers a request to submit case documents and reports after an October 2008 discovery deadline. Borman also called out Microsoft counsel for providing the plaintiff this year with over 140,000 marketing documents with no index, with little time before the June trial was to kick off.

Borman wrote in a court filing that the plaintiff requested the marketing documents on February 13, and on March 23, "Microsoft began to roll out, over a period of eight days, 143,733 documents in response..." Separately, Borman also said Microsoft wasted the court's and the parties' time by disputing a typographical error that read "2008" instead of "2009".

"This misconduct will be the subject of a separate Court Order directing Microsoft to explain why its counsel should not be sanctioned under 28 U.S.C. § 1927 for unreasonably and exatiously multiplying the proceedings," the judge said.

Borman ordered Microsoft to provide the plaintiffs with an index for the volumes of marketing documents, and said Microsoft is barred from using those documents against the plaintiffs.
 
   
 
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Joshua Sterns
2 Jul 2009 at 9:04 am PST
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Microsoft is not looking very innocent with all these courtroom shenanigans. I wonder why they just didn't settle like Sony did.

Also, shenanigans is an awesome word!

Hélder Gomes Filho
2 Jul 2009 at 9:26 am PST
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In fact, I think that MS and Sony should win.

Really, anyone can patent any shit and sue anyone...

Sony for example, patented a game where you throw the screen on the ground... If someday someone invent a ridiculous game like this, they will get sued... That just suck, the current patent system only serves to create suefests, not to protect author ideas...

Benjamin Quintero
2 Jul 2009 at 9:41 am PST
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Amen.

Tom Kammerer
2 Jul 2009 at 9:48 am PST
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I Agree completely Mr. Gomes.

But the patent system also allows the use of such technologies to whoever uses it. Microsoft and Sony are very very old companies and understand this more than anyone, before they use a technology they get the damn patent. It really is not that complicated. If the patens is owned by someone else they need to acquire the right to use it or get it.

They know this very well and in a court case for Sony's dualshock controller technology there are reports of Sony attempting to do so with the defendant but failing. They went ahead and stole the technology anyway and infringed on the patent costing them to settle for millions.

These companies know what they are doing, Microsoft has been doing the same thing over and over again, Remember when the huge scandal when they forced Internet Explorer on Windows OS? That case went to the damn Supreme court for monopolistic crimes.

This is all just unethical corporate crime at its highest level. To shed light on this disgustingness I think it is good to say the Game industry may have a bit less of this unethical behavior compared to the rest of corporate america. It's safe to say that the most of us are here for the games and not the bureaucracy of making those games.

Tim
2 Jul 2009 at 10:25 am PST
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Just my opinion here, but at some level there needs to be some oversight in the patent office where they can go back and say that the patent shouldn't have been granted. There's too many patents that are way too broad and yet they are still out there and have to be fought through the courts - Remember BT's lawsuit over their hyperlink patent against ISP's - basically they wanted ISP's to pay them a fee for the sites they hosted that used hyperlinks - that didn't go away until 2002 when a judge finally threw it out. I still think Amazon's 1-click checkout patent is ridiculous.

And as for personal experience, I worked for a startup, part of our product allowed a doctor to bring up their digital X-rays over the internet so they could review them wherever they were, it had some basic zoom and image cleanup (sharpen/contrast/etc.) built in but nothing special that you haven't seen at other photo sites. We got a 2 inch thick packet in the mail with a cease letter on top because someone thought we were infringing on a patent that they held for "displaying medical images in a web browser". That's right, we were being sued because the image we displayed was of a medical nature. I just have to wonder what idiot in the patent office thought that it was a good idea to give someone a patent for serving up images on the internet just because they happened to be medical and not something else like porn... but there's probably a patent out there for that too.

brandon sheffield
2 Jul 2009 at 10:31 am PST
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I'm just happy to see use of the word shenanigans.

John Tessin
2 Jul 2009 at 11:29 am PST
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Microsoft has a long history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stac_Electronics
If you don't remember you should probably read up.

Rayco Santana
2 Jul 2009 at 11:29 am PST
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this is just retarded, I gonna pattent breathing so anyone who breaths has to pay me money, ""Apparatus and method for electrically connecting remotely located video games."" what kind of pattent is that?? its so redundant that even PC with internet can be called ""an apparatus and method for electrically connecting remotely located video games"", its retarded.

Raymond Amarantus
2 Jul 2009 at 11:30 am PST
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"Apparatus and method for electrically connecting remotely located video games."

Sounds like this "apparatus and method" is the internet. I call the entire case itself one big shenanigan.

Rayco Santana
2 Jul 2009 at 11:32 am PST
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@John Tessin: Sony has one even longer... that patent still retarded.

Joseph A
2 Jul 2009 at 12:27 pm PST
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@Tim too bad -- but imagine if someone had the same patent for prn.

Alan Rimkeit
2 Jul 2009 at 1:11 pm PST
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Shenanigans? I need to go get my broom!

Otherwise my opinion was all ready stated by Mr. Gomes. The patent system needs are serious over haul. It is broken on several fundamental levels.

Derric Upton
2 Jul 2009 at 3:21 pm PST
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Shenanigans. Reminds me of Super Troopers.

Roger Hågensen
2 Jul 2009 at 3:31 pm PST
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This is silly! I'm sure there are prior art to many of the claims in the patent.

For example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-User_Dungeon

The MUD article on Multi User Dungeons are rather interesting,
the history part as early as from 1978 mentions multiple simultaneous players,
a lot of these MUDs was played on BBS (Bulletin Board Systems) in later years.
And I know for sure I played agaist other real time opponents on a larger BBS, and this was before 1991 when the patent was filed.

Also in the Wiki entry for Multi User Dungeon is the mention of graphical MUDs, in particular:
"A graphical MUD is a MUD that uses computer graphics to represent parts of the virtual world and its visitors. A prominent early graphical MUD was Habitat, written by Randy Farmer and Chip Morningstar for Lucasfilm in 1985. Graphical MUDs require players to download a special client and the game's artwork. They range from simply enhancing the user interface to simulating 3D worlds with visual spatial relationships and customized avatar appearances."

I know, I know. The patent refers to "said controller, said whatever" but it doesn't take half a brain to take a single player "joystick" and hook that up to a graphical MUD or MMO.

Which makes me wonder why the patent holders haven't made claim sooner but waited until the video games "got internet", seemingly ignoring the fact that folks had been gaming online against/with each other on PC's, Amiga's, Mainframes, long before the patent was filed even.

The fact that Microsoft and Sony added internet abilities should not automatically cause them to break the patent. Microsoft simply added features to the consoles that had existed and been in use for many many years before.

I hope someone can point out the MUD article out to the legal team at Microsoft, (failed to find any contact info on the microsoft site and got tired of looking)
because if this claim goes through, who knows whats next? PC online gaming, Wow?

Whatever happen to the original intent of patents?
Was it not supposed to give the inventor a limited exclusivity to profiting on the invention and get a "head start" on any competition, but then allow the public to use and benefit of the invention for free later?

The fact that the patent sat there from 1991 to 2002 ? before they suddenly cried wolf seems fishy to me, by now the patent is what.. 18 years old? Shouldn't it be public domain and belong to no-one by now?

Personally I think that after 1-2 years the exclusivity should end, if the inventor have failed to make money on it by then, let the rest of the world have a try at it, and don't complain if they do a better job at it.

Roger Hågensen
2 Jul 2009 at 3:38 pm PST
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Found it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitat_%28video_game%29

A really interesting read in that it was up and running in 1986, it matches many of the claims this patent seems to mention, and the C64 (Commodore 64) had 1 or more controllers people could, etc. etc.
If the Microsoft legal team has any serious skill it should not be hard to find prior art in this.

Amir Sharar
2 Jul 2009 at 4:18 pm PST
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I agree that it's ridiculous to patent something you may have no intention of selling or creating, and then selectively suing the largest companies that use ideas posed in your patent.

But on the other hand, MS should play by the rules. I realize that this has more to do with MS's legal team rather than Microsoft themselves.

Christopher Wragg
2 Jul 2009 at 6:59 pm PST
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Perhaps there should be a more efficient patent review process. By which a company can review an old patent, and check it's validity in the modern sphere. It's been mentioned before here, but "Apparatus and method for electrically connecting remotely located video games" Is way to broad in our modern climate. Perhaps when the patent was signed it would have been a big thing, but a company should be able to bring to the table the fact that a) The individuals who signed the patent have made no invention or have not financially supported a move to produce the article specified and b) that by our current scope the article described by the patent is too broad a definition. Lastly c) the owners of the patent have not made any financial benefit from the patent beyond it's the sale of it's rights to others or via law suits of this nature. Any one of these factors would be grounds for dismissing the patent.

A valid company who patented something would thus be able to maintain their patent as long as they continued to make money from it. Effectively that's all a patent does, is serve to prevent financial loss through the theft of Intellectual Property. If you stand to make no loss then you should not be able to prevent someone else using an idea.

Zaid Crouch
3 Jul 2009 at 6:04 am PST
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Aside from the merits or otherwise of this case (which eventually the courts may get around to dealing with), the idea that a patent should only be granted to organizations that are in a position to directly turn it into a profit is a little worrying to me. To my mind, one of the strengths of the patent system is that it allows smaller, less commercial bodies to profit from their own inventions. If large corporations could sit around, watching the work produced by small companies, university students, etc, and then pick the best ideas to convert into bags of money without any obligation to the original inventors. The ability to sell and profit from the rights to a patent is in many cases the main point of it.

There is a separate issue of applying patents to software, and that is an area where the system has fallen way behind.

Anyways, the patent is due to expire in less that 2 years anyway. Let them have their day in the sun :)

Curt Perry
6 Jul 2009 at 12:27 pm PST
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The current patent system is broken, and has given rise to a new industry of "Patent Trolls". These companies make no product and provide no service. Their business is simply buying patents or creating new patents, the broader and more general the better. They then sit on these patents waiting for some big company to infringe on a patent they own, so they can sue them or force them to license. The costs ensued are then passed on to the consumer.

In my opinion, these Patent Trolls are just a drag on our economy, serving to make a few people rich at the expense of everyone else - providing nothing in return.


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