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  Fixing Final Fantasy XIV: The Yoshida Interview
by Christian Nutt [Business/Marketing, Design, Interview, PC, Console/PC, Social/Online]
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And I saw that you recently did a survey, and the survey was rather radical, I think, in that it asked players how fundamental the changes they'd like to see to the game are. I mean, how far are you prepared to go to modify the game?

NY: Yeah. It's really hard to put a number on it, but I guess you can look at it in separate areas.



For example, like the Guildleve system. We liked the Guildleve system, in that it provides a simple quest for someone who, say they have 30 minutes to play a game. They come in, they go to that counter, they know the quests are going to be waiting for them, they get the quests, they do them, and they're done.

So, that, really you wouldn't have to have a fundamental change to that. I mean, you could do some adjustments to it to make it better for the players, but that you wouldn't have to destroy the whole foundation.

Whereas the battle system on the other hand, I personally believe that the battle should be something where you get with friends, you talk over how you're going to fight this battle, doing all the tactics and the strategies. And right now, this really can't be done in the battle system that currently exists.

So, for this one, I'm saying that yeah, maybe, a 70 percent change might be necessary to get it to something that I envision as a cool battle system.

But even saying that, that's not to say that -- for example -- the Guildleve system doesn't need to have fixes as well. While it's really good for people that want to come in, play solo, and just get out in 30 minutes, that Guildleves system is perfect. But what about for people that want to learn a little more about the world? That would take, maybe, providing quests from the NPCs -- more of these types of quests where you can talk with these NPCs, learn about their lives, learn about the world. Things where you have to do a little more exploring.

And then on top of that, people that -- okay, say you have a lot of time on the weekends, so you want to get with a party and you want something a little more challenging than what the simple Guildleves offer. So, we want to keep the good things. Things that are working right now, we want to keep them. But then things that, yes, need that big change, we want to go in and drastically change those.

Has the feedback from players globally been very similar, or have there been differences in the different territories?

NY: We've had two surveys so far, and we'd say probably 80 percent of the answers have been the same worldwide. And then the remaining 20 percent, we found have been requests for other changes.

For example, in Japan, Japanese people have a really busy lifestyle, a lot of stuff to do, work. So, the Japanese players wanted us to keep a lot of the solo aspect, because they liked the aspect that you can solo a lot.

Whereas in Europe, a lot of the European users wanted more of a Final Fantasy feel to the game. They wanted airships and Chocobos. They wanted it to feel more like a Final Fantasy game that they envisioned.

Whereas the U.S. was more "Okay, we want parties. We want to have big battles where we get with our friends and put together strategies." And so, while everyone is saying that they want the changes, this 20 percent, there are some differences between the regions.

Do you feel that the different territories have fundamentally different expectations about how community management and community communication should occur?

SS: When you look at the community sites, the regions, you get lots of hot and cold. For example, America, France, and Germany, their community sites are really involved. They host a lot of things. They get really active about how they communicate. Whereas, you look at Japan, or maybe to less of an extent the United Kingdom, they don't get excited about it. It's a lot more low key. And so you have those U.S. sites and the German sites and the French sites, they'll want that hardcore communication there.

Another thing is what type of information each region wants on their posts. For example, in Japan, they just want the hardcore facts. They want to know what's going in the game, how much stuff will change, is it going up or is it going down. Whereas, in America, it's more like they want to know more about what type of person is this new director. Is he crazy? Is he nice? What is he thinking? They want to know more about him as a person. And the thing is, on the other hand, Japan, they don't really care much about that.

When it comes to the community management aspect of it, even though the regions are different in what they want, you have to keep the management the same, you keep it open, and then you get all of that data. Because if you have the community management part doing different things, then things starts getting confusing -- so you want to keep that open and as similar as possible.

Yoshida-san, you mentioned early on that you personally have been a long-term MMO player. I was wondering if you learned any lessons from your own participation in MMO games that carried over?

NY: Yeah. One of the things that I thought was really important, playing for long periods of time over a single game, is that community size is a very important factor.

Like in some of the older, I guess you could call them the "first generation" of large MMOs, like Ultima Online and EverQuest, there would be these big strong in-game communities. For example, you have guilds with like 300 people in them. But as the game went on, those communities would get smaller and smaller until they were made up of groups of people with similar play styles, people that wanted to do the same thing.

The people that are playing MMOs are now these veterans of MMOs who have gone through that first process. And now when they decide to make a guild, it's not more joining a guild with a ton of people, and then being one of the last few that remain; It's inviting people that you know that already have the same type of gameplay style that you do.

So, you invite these people that you know. And you make these close-knit guilds and these close-knit communities within the game. The challenge is how to make content that appeals to those groups, that want to do those hardcore things in those tight-knit groups. And that's one of the interesting things that I've learned and what I'm having fun with now.

The one thing that I learned from the battle systems of other games is that when you create parties, you have people of different skill levels, and some people will be really good at games, and some people might not be. So, you have the different skill levels in one party, but each person has their role, and their role is clearly defined, and that's really important.

To have the rules of a battle that are simple enough to understand, but challenging enough to get players to use their mind. You have to think and strategize -- have something that's going to challenge them in that way, but not something that's going to be complex to the point where people won't be able to do anything.

 
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Aaron Truehitt
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I'm a little skeptical of them charging a fee for things that have been free so long. Personally, I wouldn't mind paying for it if the game was improved substantially. However, wouldn't it make sense for them to keep a portion of the game free still, while the new features would cost money?



Well, maybe that would only be a problem if it was already a great game that had been free for so long.

Derek Loftis
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@Aaron I feel like you in the line of a dedicated MMO you could not have a society of players that pay and another society of players that do not pay. I say this because I feel like somewhere along the line someone would be cheated out of a fulfilling experience. Also, I believe the development would suffer because the devs would have to focus on two drastically different aspects of the game.



For the sake of progressing my ideas of how this would work, I'll ask you to brainstorm how portions of the game be free, while others are not?



I could see mule characters being free-of-charge by limiting them to be unable to leave the city they are essentially digitally birthed into, but as for any other style-of-play I feel like you would have to charge.



I think the first month being free is the kind of the golden time where you get to experiment and see if the game has to offer what you are looking for. And the only reason it has been free for this time because they are trying to fix what is apparently broken. (I say apparently because I haven't played it, but will be trying it soon).

Dustin Chertoff
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You can look at the hybrid model employed by Turbine for DDO/LoTRO. It works, but you will have pushback by the subscriber base when "convenience" items start popping up that are more "pay-to-win" than anything else (i.e. unique potions that do not share cooldowns with in-game crafted potions, etc.).



Not really sure how such a model would be implement in FF14 though, as I really haven't spent enough time with it.

Derek Loftis
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Wow, those hybrid models had completely slipped my mind. And I think there's a reason. Having those pay to win aspects in the game diminishes that deep rooted reward/pleasure core that get's us addicted, which I would say that if a MMO doesn't have that, then it probably shouldn't be played. But that's just based on my opinions and standards.



Just knowing that no matter how much time you invest into a game, someone can be way stronger than you and only because they spent some extra cash to get these "convenience" items can be a threat to your person. It will eventually lead to you contemplating purchasing the weapon, and based on, I guess your moral stance, you either do, or don't. And I don't want to deal with that kind of thinking while I'm trying to lose myself in the world of an MMO.



I'm very excited for FF14, and even more excited to watch it grow over the years. FF11 is still my favorite MMO experience, and if FF14 turns out to be anything like it, I will be very pleased.

Paul Orlemanski
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I think the days of a game company just releasing a game to the public and saying "this is what we made and you'll like it" is over. All video game companies, regardless of being Western or from Asia should look at what Valve does. They listen to their customer base. I understand that I may sound a little critical here but I beleive the next two game companies to get consumer backlashes will be Capcom ( from charing material withhold on their games) and Activision.

Bernardo Del Castillo
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I'm personally not sure if that is true. I believe that trying to please your audience and doing a good game are not necessarily connected. Of course when the audience does have valid concerns about the game it is wise for the creators to hear them out. However, just bending to every single demand from the players can become a hazard to the game's ultimate direction and vision. Consumers are not game designers, and although they might think they know what they want, their preferences are normally very closely rooted upon what is available at the moment. The best thing you can do as a game designer is to surprise them with something that they didn't know they wanted, but do.



After all most people who play a game like this do so because they like the universe of final fantasy. And in the history of final fantasies, we as players don't really have a say about anything in the game ( other than FF13, I'm normally quite pleased with what square-enix does with his franchise ) players enjoy it because it comes from them, and that is an assurance in style, quality and even innovation. For example, Having played a lot of RPGs, I was used to the standard levelling system: you kill monsters, gather experience and when you level up, you spend the points improving the stats of your character. I personally had never seen a problem or any need to change it. But when Final fantasy 10 introduced the sphere grid levelling system, I loved it. And I would have never thought about it before.



It seems that their approach as to appeal everyone is a bit over-ambitious. As they list themselves playstyles of different people in different places vary greatly. Its hard to think of any game that manages that fully. Final fantasy fans are clearly closer to Japanese design decisions. And they should hold on to that demographic because it is a safe group that is very loyal as they comment on the interview. I am in favour of the Westernisation, in gameplay mechanics, but I wouldn't want their original vision to be watered down in order to create mass appeal.



Having played a bit of FF14, I must say that their real problems were not the company close-mindedness. If you know a bit about interfaces, graphical feedback, streamlining the processes to make the game playable, you cannot release a game like that. Everything in the game at the start was sluggish, slow, and overly convoluted. Combat and character movement were incredibly awkward. In many ways final fantasy 14 played a lot worse than its predecessor 11, it is one of the most poorly executed titles in the franchise, and that is a major flaw. It just didn't live up to the polished standards that the audience has come to expect from a company as SquareEnix. Maybe it will recover from its early troubled state, or maybe its too late for it, I personally hope that the game does evolve into something better.

Kamruz Moslemi
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Exactly, a good designer, not just of games, but any consumer product, does not give people what they ask, but what they need. There is a famous quote by a turn of the century entrepreneur who said it best, I am sure you've all heard that one before, and a 100 years later it still holds true.

Luis Guimaraes
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“If I’d asked people what they wanted, they would have said a faster horse.”

– Henry Ford

Dustin Chertoff
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I'd really like to give FF14 another shot, since FF11 was the first MMO that I really cut my teeth on. I had played EQ before, but I never really grasped what an MMO could be until FF11. But there have just been so many changes to how MMOs operate between FF11 and now, that I'm not sure the old-school sandbox nature of FF14 can ever truly compete with newer theme-park style offerings. I'm sure there is a happy medium between sandbox and theme-park MMOs, but FF14 doesn't seem to be there just yet. Or maybe I'm just happier with theme-park Western MMOs that give me content to consume. This is very likely a cultural thing, since the majority of sandbox MMOs come out of Asia.


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