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At this year's Game Developers Conference, Gamasutra once again had the chance to speak to Bullfrog and Lionhead co-founder, Populous, Black & White and Fable series designer, and iconoclast Peter Molyneux -- on the eve of his presentation at the show.

During his GDC presentation, he displayed the company's prototypes for many game systems and elucidated on its processes of developing these "experiments". The company has a long history of these experiments, recounted by both current staffers and those who have moved on to other projects at other developers.

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With Fable II having been released via Lionhead parent company Microsoft late last year for Xbox 360 [NOTE: this interview contains some plot spoilers for the game], and no new project yet announced for his studio, Molyneux was chomping at the bit to discuss his next project -- as the below text reveals.

He did, however, manage to keep mum on the details, but not the philosophy of the project, which he described as an evolution beyond what the studio has been trying so far -- "You could possibly see where it came from in terms of our history. But if you look at it, there's nothing like it."

The studio has long known to be working on projects beyond the scope of the Fable series -- most publicly a prototype for a game called "Dimitri", which Molyneux again speaks about here. To learn more about the company's processes and Molyneux's hopes and expectations for the company's next project, read on:

Christian Nutt: You guys are famous for prototyping. And when I talk to people who either still work at Lionhead or are veterans, they talk a lot about the extensive prototyping -- bits and pieces of it show up in your games later. One thing that Iwata said is that he'll see something in a prototype that they're working on, then it might get yanked out of the game and never ship in that final game, and then he'll see it two years later in another game.

Peter Molyneux: Yeah, well it's very interesting how it works. Prototypes, a lot of them are inspired by designers and some of them by me, but some of them are inspired by anybody that's got a bit of free time, like at the end of a project. Anybody can kick of one of these experiments.

And we call them "experiments" and not prototypes because "prototypes" makes it sound like it's being built just for a product. But they are experiments. Some of the experiments are just completely out there. You would think, "How could that ever fit in anything?" I feel really happy with that because you never know when you're going to see some little glimpse.

There's one particular experiment I'm going to show, which has got a fantastic feel to it. It has this amazing feel. It kind of feels like it's a room. And in this room, it kind of feels like there should be an old person in this room.

I'm spoiling it a little bit. I instinctively know that we're going to use something from that, but I don't know what in. This is going to be my first real [GDC] talk, you know. I'm not PR-ing a product. This is a real reveal of how Lionhead works and how the experimental process works.

CN: It's quite exciting, too, I think. I was happy to talk to you just because again there's no product in the room, so it really opens up the possibilities.

PM: If it were up to me, I would be talking about what Lionhead is doing today. I think we're doing some pretty astounding stuff, and some of that is a result of the experiments. Certainly, the thing that I hope that we're going to be in a position to announce soon is very, very different from what you expect.

We're a little bit of, "Lionhead is Fable, Fable Lionhead." I don't think Lionhead should just be that. We should be able to try very challenging things. So, this big thing that we're working on is very, very different. You could possibly see where it came from in terms of our history. But if you look at it, there's nothing like it.

CN: And is that because of an inspiration that you or someone on the team had, or is it because of these experiments? Is that a natural evolutionary process when you come up with projects?

PM: Well, without going into any details... I have to be very careful because two interviews ago, my mouth just started talking, and my brain wasn't processing what was coming out of my mouth, so I almost let something out which was crucially secret.

But there's this idea, an idea or an ambition that I have had, and that people at Lionhead have shared for many, many years... A long time ago, I was talking about a project -- it was actually an experiment called "Dimitri", which was a project that we were kind of working on for a long time. That kind of evolved and changed as these experiments do.

The core of this idea, the thing that it lacked, was the way to describe it to you, what that kind of wrapper was. And then, this moment, this evangelical moment came to me while I was sitting in a meeting.

I was sitting in a meeting looking at someone else's game from another studio, and I saw this one picture. It was just this single image of a picture. And when I actually show the game finally to you, I'll show you the picture.

I thought, "That's it. That's exactly what it needs." And so I rushed back and said, "Right, we should do this." It was one of those, so rarely happens in your life when you see something and you know so strongly that it's the right thing.

This is horribly teasing you, isn't it?

CN: It's alright.

PM: It's just tantalizingly placed...

 
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Bart Stewart
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Speaking of emotions, mine are mixed concerning this interview.

There's nothing wrong with the interviewer, the interviewee (for whose design enthusiasm I have great respect) or the facts of the interview. It's that, as a PC gamer, this interview creates two opposing bad feelings.

On the one hand, since Fable II has only been released for consoles, and thus as a PC gamer I haven't had the chance to enjoy playing it, the "dog and family" section was a bit of a spoiler.

On the other hand, the last official word I saw from Lionhead (in January 2009) was that they weren't working on a PC version of Fable II, period. So I guess despite being eager to spend money on a game that -- unlike many others -- treats exploration and emotion seriously, seeing spoilers for Fable II is ultimately irrelevant for a PC gamer like myself.

I suppose my point is that this interview did a great job of making me want to play Fable II or any other of Lionhead's upcoming and presumably innovative games... but because I do my gaming on a perfectly good personal computer, the innovation I'd happily pay for is off-limits to me.

Definitely some mixed feelings here.

Dave Sodee
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Agreed, now that it has been out a longtime for the console a pc version would make sense. I think Fable did reasonably well and Fable 2 would as well as long as they do not add too much restrictive drm or install limits.

The pc gaming industry has to start paying attention to who they are alienating...hint..not the pirates !

Sverre Kvernmo
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Spoiler warnings are appreciated.

Simon Carless
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Fair comment, Sverre - we've added a spoiler note at the beginning of the text.

David Tarris
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I love how people can talk of exclusive content in such discriminatory terms. The only thing stopping you from enjoying Fable II is not the big bad corporations, but simply your own financial judgment of not buying an Xbox 360. As much as I'd like to play Killzone 2, I'm not going to berate Sony for making a financially prudent decision, I'm just going to have to not play it, find a friend with a PS3, or, gasp, buy the product that they want me to buy.

Peter Misak
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I agree with Bart Stewart -- I am a PC gamer, too. I own no consoles, just a few PC machines and I've played Fable. To some degree, I was disappointed because Fable 1 was more a toy than RPG, altough it was kind of cute. I would consider buying a copy of Fable 2. I respect Peter Molyneux, but leaving PCs out of focus was a bad move in my eyes and I have no longer such (if any) interest in Lionhead games.

Voivodul Vlad
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The interactions in Fable II, is indeed effective but also a bit too mechanical and not human. I mean, you just pick from a set of icons to match which ones the NPC with whom you're interacting likes most. The conversations are also Sims-like murmurings - you don't really "talk" to people (not like what Mass Effect did). Well, I'm not saying ME is better because reading a lot of texts on screen also feels dry... graphical representation would naturally help to present how people think of you...

Still the question of how to make good interactions - is emotion more important (even strictly scripted in actions games like MAFIA), or is choice (like FABLE)... uh... when are you going to show us what u've got Pete? :P

Jon Boon
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I'd like to play it as well, but I'm not about to spend money on a console that seems to be designed to fail. Therefore, if it doesn't come out for the PC, I guess I won't enjoy it, which is too bad as I did enjoy the first one.

John Smith
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"the thing that we're going to show you is a huge leap forward. You and your girlfriend will enjoy this like you've never enjoyed anything else in your life. "

Now how's that for hyperbole :)

I guess the best things in life are no longer free..

Bill Boggess
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While I will not defend the hardware of the XB360, having gone through two of them myself, as a whole the console is simply one of the best gaming machines I have played, and I’ve played (and owned) just about everything. Those of you who refuse to indulge in this system are of course free to do so but you will be missing out on plenty of high quality games, including Fable II.

That said, for those of you worried about potential hardware issues, the newer consoles have a much lower failure rate and if you opt to get a 60 or 120 GB hard drive you can install the games and play them directly off the drive, which reduces the wear and tear significantly. As a point of fact, Fable II plays better when installed versus playing the game from the disc.

Peter Vessenes
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I second what Bill said -- missing out on the current era of console gaming is a pretty big loss, especially given the cost of an X360 compared to a new Nvidia GPU.. Are you sure your GPU will outlast your Xbox 360? I cut my teeth on Zork and Sierra games, and have owned nearly every console released since the Atari 2600. I've also spent over 20 years gaming on my PC. My PC's are currently for work, flash gaming and Warcraft. Everything else is better on the console. I don't know, but I'd expect that Fable II would feel a little limited on the PC, it really is designed for a console gamer.


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