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  EA Takes Japan: An Interview With Rex Ishibashi
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EA is one of the largest publishers in the world and a fully global organization -- but doesn't have much penetration in Japan, which is still one of the most vibrant and successful gaming markets, globally, even in the midst of a downturn.

That seems to be changing. During the week leading up to the Tokyo Game Show, EA Japan hosted an event at the opulent Mado Lounge at Roppongi Hills, an upscale Tokyo complex that mixes offices, shopping, theaters, and museums.

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The event featured the company's first Japan-developed, Japan-targeted title to be released in some years: Tsumuji, a Zelda-like adventure game for the DS starring a young ninja. It may not be released in the West at all.

Gamasutra got a chance to speak to the president of EA Japan, Rex Ishibashi. Ishibashi was instrumental in the late '90s deal that partnered EA with Square Soft for the releases of Final Fantasy VIII and IX, among other games, and has an even longer history with the company.

Here, he describes the company's strategy for Japan -- its new approach to working inside the market, to both bring Western games to prominence and to deliver games that originate in Japan and can sell globally. He also discusses the state of the Japanese market -- providing insight to a prominent territory that is, nevertheless, not always well understood by outsiders.

Though this event seems to suggest something of a rebirth for EA Japan, you've been in the Japanese market for some time.

Rex O. Ishibashi: So it's been a long time, you know; call it almost 20 years. The games industry has changed a lot -- platforms, everything else. EA has had good years, has had some not so good years, here. But generally we've been consistent; generally we've been consistently profitable.

At the same time, what we measure ourselves against is our huge success, and our market share in the West. And while we don't expect to have the same market share here, there are some ways that we can approach the business a little be differently, and gain some traction, to arrive at a good place as a Western publisher operating here in Japan. Including what you saw, the game that we started with right over here, Tsumuji; some locally-developed content.

EA, in the past, in Japan, has done some locally-developed content, but it hasn't for some years, correct?

RI: It hasn't. It's been up and down in terms of the studio effort overall. We have everything from MySims, and the MySims franchise, which is actually developed by a Japanese developer, but EP'd and managed out of EA headquarters, or [EA Redwood Shores], out of the EA Play label.

But this is what I believe in. There's two parts to the strategy: If you look at the success of Western content in Japanese gaming, it's always hovered around five percent market share. We think we can grow that a little bit -- and grow it mainly by producing great games, and more deeply localizing those games for the marketplace.

So, given my experience with EA -- I used to be with EA from '97 to 2001, in fact connections with EA going back to the '80s, when it was first founded, really -- and then rejoined EA in December of last year, to head up EA Japan. But just based on the relationships I have with the studios and the label heads, we're getting involved at the development stage, and letting people know exactly what Japan would want.

We're being very selective about not saying we can publish all the titles, and all the titles are appropriate for Japan; we're being very selective about the types of games we bring in, and that we think can do well here. So that's one half of the strategy, is really to more deeply localize, be much more selective and focused about what we bring in to the marketplace.

And then secondly, develop original content. Because, again, even if we help grow Western content market share here in Japan by 100%? That's a 10% market. We're still not addressing the 90% market, in the second largest video game market by country. So, we're starting to do games like Tsumuji, and there are some other things down the pike that are exciting.

Is Tsumuji being developed by an external studio?

RI: It's an external studio, but closely managed by Taka [Murakami], and a team of four people including Taka.

Do you guys have any development teams operating in Japan now, under EA's direct ownership?

RI: Yes. Taka's team -- Taka has developed great DS software; Taka was involved with -- I always mention this -- the development of Sony Aibo. He's a creator, and a creative, in the true Japanese vein, and he has a very balanced team, who don't actively code, but are always in Osaka working with our external developers.

So your strategy is experienced developers managing external developers closely. That's how you're pursuing it right now, in Japan?

RI: Exactly. Exactly. The other thing to mention is our EA Partners group, which is part of the EA Games label. We struck a relationship with Grasshopper Manufacture. So this is Suda-san. Working closely with Mikami-san, the developer of Resident Evil originally. And we're even involved in that development -- just given distance, given time zones, given language. So Taka already has two projects that he's active with, and there will be more projects coming down the pike.

Is Tsumuji a test case? It sounds like you already have some things in motion.

RI: We already have some things in motion. The global publishing organization outside of Japan, while they haven't made firm commitments, and while we haven't made firm announcements, we're very excited about what we're doing here. And it's clear that, one: EA is committed to this marketplace. We're not going away. And two: that for us to grow in this marketplace, we have to expand beyond western content.

 
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Andre Thomas
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Pretty nice interview but the truth is unlike japanese developers who had success in conquering the west at the time when the arcade scene was live and well, western developers would continue to fail in Japan for the very reason why Microsoft is failing...they fail they to understand the gaming culture of japan.

As for EA's efforts, simpily just developing a title aimed at Japanese gamers will not cut it. If they are going to make any in-roads they'll have to completely shed the western-personality associated with the company and integrate themselves into it.

Secondly EA would have to recognize the fact that japan's gaming industry is far more than just PSP, Wii, PS3, and DS but also include the arcade/amusement business. Why do you think Nintendo, Sony, SEGA, Namco, Capcom, SE, and Konami continue to have business in Japan despite the downturn in console usage? These developers recognize the fact that there is an arcade scene that is still alive and as a result they support in some manner(Sony supports the arcade/amusement business by supplying hardware e.g. the Cell-base System 357 hardware).

In the end its not just EA whom I'm talking about but other western developers also. Sadly though all of these western developers are so dumb in their thinking when it come to Japan they shooting themselves in the foot by avoiding a still important market.

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Those are some good comments, Andre, and yes, I do think the interview as pretty good.

I do think it's naive for Ishibashi-san to claim "there's no piracy in Japan." Of course there is. However, there are also various mitigating factors that are not in other markets or not as strong. However, perhaps he was specifically meaning "game piracy" or more specifically, "console game piracy." That's a bit different than simply "piracy" or "game piracy" (including, of course, PC gaming). Not to mention other media, which he does allude to a bit when talking about music.

Perhaps more importantly, I'm surprised that the PC gaming scene is largely ignored in the interview. That's one of the largest parts of the Japanese market, after all. CERO is certainly the ESRB of Japan now, but they are relatively new and do not cover PC gaming. If we're talking Akihabara, Comiket, etc, it's the PC gaming scene that has all the innovation in content and freedom to experiment through doujinsoft and other avenues.

I would also say that there is a cyclical nature to change.

Finally, I think the overall intent seems to miss the mark and will probably fail because it seems like the intent is still the old "exclude/include certain content, etc based on perceptions of what a specific market wants." NCSoft realized this is an outdated notion when the continued to add content and mechanics that cater to different markets in their new release, "Aion" (unfortunately making it pay to play excludes the majority of any market but that's another issue). Yes, different markets have different cultures internally or natively, but that's irrelevant when the global exchange of information is considered. If you really want to open a market, you have to offer what anyone, anyplace in the world, might want, and that means offering content, etc that is not necessarily the major draw in a specific locale at the specific time you are developing a product. Restricting what you offer is a perfect support for piracy as well as legitimate import companies in various locales. People have their own interests and preferences, and these are not dictated by their locale when they can gain information from almost anywhere in the world. Therefore, it's not surprising that there are game consumers in Japan, Korea, etc who are interested in and want Western content, mechanics, etc, nor is it surprising that there are consumers in Western markets who prefer Japanese content, etc. Attempting to cater to limited preferences only limits the potential market for any product. I guess as long as companies are willing to live with that, it's ok, but it certainly won't allow for maximum expansion or potential for any market product. I think there needs to be a better effort to think global, not local.


Andre Thomas
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@ Dave Endresak

Given the fact that western developers have approached the japanese market with a sence of ignorance its for this reason why they continue fail in Japan. One thing I do give EA credit for though is collaborating with well-known individuals such as Mikami and Suda 51, but to really succeed in Japan in the long-term they'll have to do more.


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