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EA, Microsoft, Zynga formally oppose law preventing gay marriage
EA, Microsoft, Zynga formally oppose law preventing gay marriage
July 19, 2012 | By Tom Curtis

July 19, 2012 | By Tom Curtis
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Newsbrief: Game companies Electronic Arts, Microsoft, and Zynga have joined numerous other parties in a formal amicus brief that opposes the United States' Defense of Marriage Act, which defines marriage as the legal union between one man and one woman, and stands as one of the largest obstacles against gay marriage in the country.

The companies say the Defense of Marriage act is discriminatory, hurts morale, and even creates some uncomfortable tax issues within their organizations. The parties in the brief, which also include Viacom, Starbucks and the cities of New York and San Francisco, among others, are urging the U.S.'s Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals to find portions of the Act unconstitutional.

The brief itself was filed in the case of Karen Golinski v. the US Office of Personnel Management, which is examining the validity of the contentious U.S. law. If the case goes all the way to the Supreme Court, it could become the ultimate test of the legislation's contitutionality.

Even outside this brief, companies like EA have been particularly outspoken about their support for LGBT employees of late. For instance, EA openly participated in the San Francisco and Seattle Pride events this year, and took part in the extremely popular "It Gets Better" campaign.


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John Trauger
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It's nice that they took the time, but they needn't bother too much. The 9th loves cases like this. Having already rues against CA's Proposition 8, there's no reason to expect they'll do anything besides rule against DOMA. The big question mark is the US supreme court.

As an aside, the Prop 8 case should have been pushed to the SCOTUS level to get national closure on this one way or the other.

I suppose joining the amicus breif might be a placating gesture for EA, MS, et al. The political Left is on a bit of an anti-corporate tear right now.

Chris Redd
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I hope they leave DOMA alone. There's no reason to change an established ruling cause less than 2% of the population wants a social experiment.

Jacob Germany
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@Chris

1) There are a lot of reasons. Constitutionality being one of them.

2) It's much more than 2%. 2% doesn't even cover the homosexuality rate in the US, let alone opponents of DoMA.

3) It's nothing remotely similar to a social experiment.

Luke Quinn
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Good on them.
The more people and companies that come out and speak out against the retards that think they have the right to push their BS onto others, the better.
As I like to say, if they have a problem with the way progressive society is going I can get them a free, guaranteed ticket to heaven... :D

Ole Berg Leren
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The irony of your last sentence. Intentional?

Luke Quinn
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No, not irony; I'm just a nice guy like that. :)

Ramin Shokrizade
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I've noticed in my cyber travels that there are some almost unfathomably smart people in our industry with non-traditional gender/sexual views, making me wonder if having the ability to think outside the box is relevant here since traditional gender and sexual views could be seen as a "box". If high tech companies want to attract these tech elite they are going to have to take measures to make them feel welcome. I'm not saying this is the strategy here, but it does make sense in the long run.

Bryan Ferris
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I've read research that suggests that as intelligence increases, androgyny increases.

Chris Redd
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EA lost my respect with Mass Effect, I might be switching to apple or Linux, and Zynga is basically spyware. What they should do is keep their noses out of politics and back where they belong, software industry. do they really think gays are going to start coming out of the woodworks and getting married? They're not even exclusively monogamous in marriages already, which are basically redefined civil unions as far as the federal government is concerned. Homosexuality is ideologically based, and the homosexual community hasn't presented a compelling state interest in same-sex marriage. These three companies can stow it! Homosexuality has never been proven natural, and it's abnormal. The sooner gays stop coming out of the closet, the sooner society can get back to being normal. What's next pedophiles? If you don't think it can happen google "adult child attraction" and see what the pedophiles are trying to change the definition of pedophilia into.

Terry Matthes
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So many things you've said are just flat out wrong. It's actually scary to think some people out there are as misinformed as you are. The statements you have made are ugly and hurtful.

I'm glad to see that those companies are looking out for the well being of their employees in such a great way.

Kyle Redd
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That guy is not related to me.

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Ian Uniacke
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"Chris spouting stuff like this makes you ... 'A' biggot."

Fixed your comment Josh.

Ole Berg Leren
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

Comparing homosexuality to pedophilia is pretty telling. Since it annoys me when people don't argue for their stance, let me clarify mine.

Just because they both apply to sexual behaviour, does not make them equal. Homosexuality is the sexual relationship between two consensual partners of the same sex.

Pedophilia is an attraction to young, undeveloped children. Undeveloped not just in body, but in mind. Pedophilia, in my mind, is merely taking advantage of this immaturity. Adults are authority figures to a child, and they can easily set themselves up in a position where they can abuse trust. The balance of power in a relationship between an adult and a child grossly skewed towards the adult. As such, it is an abuse.

When it comes to teenagers that might seem physically developed, the mental development is still an issue. They just don't have the same amount of experience, so let them experiment within their own age-group.

Ole Berg Leren
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Also, because EA funded a game you didn't like for a Microsoft console, you're changing the OS of your computer? What?

Bernardo Del Castillo
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Woah Chris, if there was a dislike button.. I'd press it so hard it would cave your skull in.
As people have observed, your statements are so wrong that they almost border on satire. I advise you to please document yourself before you fall into such seeming stupidity.

And btw EA was lost LONG BEFORE Mass effect, and yeah zinga migth be spyware, you could argue that it's too political maybe, I am personally inclined to believe it is a crowd-pleaser move, but it still speaks well of them.

Good day sir.

Justin LeGrande
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No one is a born pedophile. It is, however, quite possible to be born gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgender. It's all about neural chemistry and protein folding. Oh, how you would love to enforce "corrective" neural grafting, wouldn't you, Chris Redd?

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Ole Berg Leren
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I'll respectfully disagree, as marriage bestows certain rights and priveliges to the married couple. If this was a purely theological question, then you'd be right. But as marriage has a lot of legal baggage, this is not the case.

As long as the term of marriage is bonded to these rights and priveliges, there is a distinct discrimination happening at the governmental level. If you want to reserve the word "marriage" for your chosen god's definition of it, then you'll have to remove these rights that are implicit. Redefine the legal term of marriage as a union between two people and call it Partnership (or something), and bestow all legal rights and priveliges to them. Then you can have your "marriage", and use it to describe the distinct union between a man and a woman.

Your implied threat at the end applies to a slew of denominations within Christianity who would disagree with your interpretation of the Bible at some level. If there was a general agreement, then there would be no denominations. The two biggest are Protestants and Catholics, and Ireland is a great example as to how inciteful these spiritual differences can be. These differences might not be the actual cause for the conflict, but they're obviously not helping the issue.

Bernardo Del Castillo
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phew! thank god I dont care about the bible as more than a historical fiction document then.

Ok im gonna say this, as much as it migth be denied, the Church has always been a political organism, marriage as it was, responded to religion a long time ago because Church was a pillar of laws, politics and state. Problem is today, religion has lost its political standpoint since most thinking people (even believers) understand that honouring a belief is an option, and this is given by personal choice.

Marriage is no longer solely a costruct for religious purposes, that is only a semantic concept. There are far more important factors in the technical aspect of marriage unrelated to spiritual matters. Of course I suppose no homosexual really expects to be married by a church. I as a straight man don't care at all to be united by a church since I see no validity in their union, although I do respect someone seeking their espiritual validation.

So I don't know why a civil union should attack the religious union, or viceversa. one thing doesn't invalidate the other. However if this is a "just don't call it that" discussion, I don't really see the point either, since many other terms that are used not solely for christian /catholic / religious. I christened my sailboat, I confessed to my psychologist, and Zeus is a God, none of that is really intended to undermine your particular faith or your rites.

I personally do not feel that there is a god that has established a law that supercedes our understanding, but I won't stop you from going to church, or taking your communion, or doing the most catholic / christian /religious things you want to do, as long as you don't enforce it upon people that don't share your views.

Evidently to rewrite the word of God, you have to believe there is a word of God. Now, is there a God? does it speak in words? and does it judge a grown up decision that makes all involved party members happy?

I have my doubts.

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Bernardo Del Castillo
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Or maybe the unification you feel is all about desire, I don't see any proof other than your will.
Instead I see hundreds of others that claim the same unification under a different flag.
Unlike your assesment, desire has nothing to do, because in all honesty I dont think the world works according to my desires.
I wish I could fly and live happily forever, but that would be a silly fantasy, right?

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Justin LeGrande
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I've never understood these endless debates. A human is a human. A vessel. Nothing more, nothing less. Objectifying humanity inflames conflict; genuine humanitarian efforts cannot be skewed into "evil" interpretation without the influence of "evil"... whatever one believes "evil" to be.

As for the "Will of Creation"... it is probably more complex than our feeble earthen musings can identify at this point in time; there is always more to learn. I think such an entity would be amorphous- humans are merely a microscopic blip on the radar of the universe; and certainly not an apex of intelligence as the "Word of God" claims. Such an entity is probably too busy quelling "negative space", i.e. black holes, from expanding into "creative space", i.e. our solar system, to bother with our single planet's woes. Why call out to an ultimate savior for mercy when they're already working hard to keep the substructure of the universe intact?

Embrace the end within your heart, then focus on self-reliance and restoration... we're not going to have another Earth for centuries to come. We may as well keep it alive and well.

Greg Walls
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Unions between two people whom love each other is a basic human right. Any argument against this is absurd, and if you don't believe that two people who love each other should be allowed to be with one another then there is absolutely nothing for us to discuss, period.
As for this being "off topic", I just have to laugh. How is something cultural or relevant to our modern society not on topic for video games? Correct me if I'm wrong, but games are a form of art, and art reflects its creators, and the creators society/culture. This is completely relevant, just like the article about game dev's in war torn countries is relevant.
Sometimes gamers kill me, I swear....

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Darcy Nelson
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This made me feel ever so slightly better about wanting to be in this industry. :)


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