Well I can tell you that Toys 'r' Us has this deal the Saturday after Black Friday where you buy a game and get one on discount. 40% I think it was. So I got two game on top of the one that came with the console.

I only bought 1 Wii U game (ZombiU after canceling my Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge pre-order after poor word of mouth from friends) not including the Nintendo Land that came with my Wii U.

I did however buy that AssCreed PSP Vita bundle that came with a Digital Download of (the really unpolished, which is probably why it bombed at retail, version of) PlayStation All-Stars.

I still don't think making $2.55 billion instead of $2.87 billion is something to worry about though.

"I still don't think making $2.55 billion instead of $2.87 billion is something to worry about though."

Depends on how much you invested to get the $2.55 billion in revenues.

I wish that was my only life complaint as well

No... I got to disagree. Wii U is a new console, and does have a wow factor that places it steps beyond this gen. The problem is believing in graphical leaps constituting a gen, and well to tell the truth that not going to happen as much as one would think when the next consoles hit the market.

They are going to most likely focus on building in UI that try to take advantage of the consumers wow factors much like what Nintendo has done now and in the past. I can see Microsoft building in a Kinect on the main controller or Sony splitting the Sixaxis for regular and motion play.

But when it comes down to graphic engines, all the systems are going to be close together on what they can run at certain resolutions at locked frame rates. The PC will still be the optimal performance king in graphical fidelity on a screen because you can change out the parts when you want to run new software.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of the graphical improvement leaps as a driving factor - but it is.

Personally I see any game that is $20 or more to be a ripoff these days. Why pay for AAA when I can get a game for less that $20 that does the core gameplay better? Or maybe even getting the AAA that has finally reached $20 or less?

So now how does the Wii U do anything the customer actually wants? Is there a measure of improvement for the games coming out? No, in fact a bunch of them are just ports of stuff we already have on the PS3 or X360... There is a new controller that promises something 'better' than what we have now - it just seems so, unnecessary...

Where does an industry go to next when 'new' isn't enough and the graphic improvements don't make someone interested anymore?

At this point I don't even think the Wii U is the point at talking about here anymore - though that is what the articles title was trying to throw blame at.

One thing that I don't understand, is that if an Analyst predicts the sales of a product, and he comes out incorrect, how is it the product at fault, and not his own inaccurate predictions? If he is inaccurate, it's his failing, not Nintendo's.

It's like he thinks he is Nostradamus.

(Edit: As an aside, I find it very strange that spell check corrects 'Nostradamus' to 'Stradivarius')

@ A W - The only multiplatform games that I assume that would do well on the Wii U are the latest Call Of Duty game and the Batman game, but they may not be the only ones. Mass Effect 3 already had a huge backlash months ago, so I'm surprised that the game was ported onto the Wii U to begin with. As for the two aforementioned games, I'm just not interested in them at the moment, but in case of the Batman game, I might consider giving that game a chance as the game does look good (especially with the Wii U controls) and to give support to the creative team (but that doesn't change that I'm not overly fond of Warner Bros.; the company's history with videogames is not exactly a pretty one). Now, the point that I'm trying to bring up is this: I may not speak for the majority, but I can say that people's preferences are not that clear cut, so the reasoning behind some of them not wanting to get specific games may very and I'm no exception to the rule. Another example is that some people may not be interested in getting Tank! Tank! Tank!, while someone like me may be interested in the game due to playing the original arcade game and due to noticing the additional features in it that didn't exist in the original arcade game (not to mention, Tank! Tank! Tank! is sold at $49.99, which is not bad a bad price, in my opinion). As for the whole frame rate comparison comment, I'm not going to worry about someone's opinion on the frame rate of any game, just like I didn't worry about the whole graphics talk when people were talking about Wii games. If the graphics look good, then cool! If the frame rate looks excellent, then awesome! However, at the end of the day, the game should be judged by the overall appeal, because graphics and frame rate will mean nothing if the game itself has no substance or soul.

About the Wii U sales, I believe that the Wii U had a pretty good start, but I'll admit that the Wii U might have sold even more than it did if Nintendo either just did the Deluxe Edition (which is what most customers preferred anyway) and didn't do the Basic Edition at all or made the Basic Edition just as enticing as the Deluxe Edition by including more memory space and two accessories (the stands for the Wii U and the Wii U Gamepad). As for the current price tag, I wouldn't be surprised if the price for the different Wii U SKUs end up dropping a lot sooner than expected, considering the information that I read on Gamasutra.

On a final note, I agree with Tom Baird. For quite a long time now, Patcher seemed to have issues with Nintendo and it doesn't look like that he has changed one bit. Instead of blaming himself for another failed prediction, he is blaming Nintendo for what happened. This is one of those "what else is new?" moment!

@Jeferson I agree to just about everything you said. And it should be a known fact by now that Patcher has some kind of biased bend when it comes to Nintendo's business models and practices.

What ends up happening with this information results in the post below mine. Nothing more than blah blah blah... my two points why Nintendo is doomed. And probably from someone thst works in a development community no less.

I just happened to find that information on Ars and tried to rationalize some of the factual infomation reported on leading up to the results of the analyst information.

We should take note though to understand that these market analyst do not have to be right on with thier predictions to turn a profit. They can offset thier predictions before the facts come in and still profit. Patcher has tried to forcast the doom of Nintendo for a console generation now. No one expects him to really stop. But it seems that when he can admit to just not understanding the business model of Nintendo or how it manages to stay afloat. One would think that he would not continue to carry on in the manner that he does.

Personally I have turned on the Wii U everyday since its been in my house. It controlls my TV Cable box, I can surf a decent internet, and I can use the games on HDTV when no one is around or switch them over to the gamepad when families need the HDTV. If they can get the Wii in it to stream from the pad I'm all set becaues I have quite a few Wii games.

Has it been all good. No. I have had games freezes on several ocassions and some app crashes here or there, but when it works, it work very well. These problems are not earth shattering. Kinks will be ironed out in time; but to count this system out as not starting a new generation is going to be a costly mistake on anyone in the development community. There is really no excuse to not get your top software on this thing up and running well.

But my point about information circulating concerning stuff like framerates and the such. There is a community of gamers and gaming journalist that have nothing better to do with thier time but to use information to missinform, Its just sad that for a few generations its been used with vigor as a tool against Nintendo on an unprecedented level. Unfortunatly people do allow this kind of midinformation to guide thier mindset.

"So maybe that kind of negativity hit core gamers that was going to by some of those games when they got their Wii U"

Core gamers have already tried these games or pretty much decided they aren't going to try them until they hit the bargin bin. They are getting the Wii U for something different, not to buy the same game with a new $60 price tag (unless they are industry news people that is)

@John I realize that too. So could that make ZombiU the second top selling Wii U game along side of NSMBU because, it is one of the only other games out now for Wii U that you can not get on another console, and the only third party game build from the ground up to run on the console? It quite sad that some of the other mutliplats didn't do enough to make their resale at 60 justifiable for people who already owned the game on other hardware, but hey they did what they could with the info they had.

I do have to say though that playing Assassin's Creed with out a HUD on the main HDTV screen makes the game seem more cinematic to onlookers that are not interacting with the game. I know that is not enough to get a person to rebuy the game at 60USD, but I can see sometime in the future free camera look with games that use lots of RT cut scenes, with maybe a game mechanic thrown in for good measure.

@ John Flush - To a certain extent, you are correct! However, keep in mind that each person is different and may have a different reason for not wanting to get a specific game, but having said that, you are correct in that a person that already bought a multiplatform game for either Xbox 360, PS3, Wii, 3DS, or Vita will more than likely not get the same game for the Wii U, even though the controls and set-up will be different for the game on the Wii U. The creative team behind Batman might have thought about that possibility, which was why it attempted to add as many new elements and functions into the game as possible (taking full advantage of the Wii U Gamepad functions), but even then, that might not be enough to convince some players that already own the game to "repurchase" the game. The game has a better chance of being sold to people that don't own a copy of the game than to the ones that own a copy of the game. In that regard, Assassin's Creed III, Call of Duty: Black Ops 2, and Epic Mickey 2 may have an advantage of being sold for the Wii U due to being released close to the release date of the Wii U (in case of the last one, it was more on time). There may be people that held out on getting one of the three aforementioned games just so that they could get a copy of that particular game for the Wii U instead of getting for any of the other systems.

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