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IGDA working on offering resources for harassed devs
IGDA working on offering resources for harassed devs
August 29, 2014 | By Alex Wawro




Yesterday, the International Game Developers Association (IGDA) issued a statement condemning online harassment, personal threats and "doxxing" incidents in the game industry.

The statement reads, in full:
"Over the last several weeks, game developers and affiliates have been the subject of harassment and 'doxxing' attacks, including threats and posting of home addresses. While we support diverse viewpoints and healthy debate on the issues within our industry, we condemn personal attacks such as these which are not only morally reprehensible, but also illegal in many countries. We call on the entire game community to stand together against this abhorrent behavior."
This broadly-worded statement is almost certainly inspired by the online harassment, hacking attempts and personal threats that have dogged industry members like Zoe Quinn, Phil Fish and Anita Sarkeesian for more than a week.

Gamasutra reached out to the IGDA with questions about why the organization waited to take a stand and what further steps its taking to support developers in the face of online toxicity. IGDA executive director Kate Edwards provided the following answers on behalf of the IGDA board of directors:

Why did it take so long for such a short statement to appear?

Edwards: The IGDA and the Executive Director regularly comment publicly on the topic of harassment. It does not serve our membership to act capriciously and any public statements on behalf of the entire organization can not be done lightly. However, given the recent escalation of events involving game developers, we decided it was important to issue a concise statement that would vocalize our objection to such activities and be a call for solidarity of the industry behind the issue.

What is the IGDA planning to do to counter harassment?

With over 120 chapters worldwide, one of the most important things the IGDA can do is to continue to serve its key role as a spokesperson for the community. We are also working with IGDA members to provide developers with a specific means to seek support and counseling in the event of harassment or other issues. Additionally, we are in the process of developing content that will help developers respond to this issue for the Resource Center on the IGDA website.

The IGDA has also offered basic advice to developers in the past, and we would like to see these recommendations reposted:

1. Report Threats Immediately: In most places, it is a crime to threaten violence online or post personal information with the intent to harass or embarrass. If you receive an obvious threat to harm you someone you know and/or your property, or someone tries to harass you by posting your phone number or address, report this to your local law enforcement immediately.
2. Don’t Engage: Responding to harassers tends to inflame and escalate the situation. Quite often harassers take action to see if they can get a reaction. They want you to respond, to show emotion. If they do not get a reaction, the situation will often dissipate.
3. Gather Personal Help through Your Support Network. No game developer has to work in a vacuum. In addition to the IGDA, your family and friends, you have a broad network of colleagues who will understand your situation. Seek their personal support and comfort, not only for your own peace of mind but to also help them understand potential risks.
4. Don’t Internalize the Threat. What you’re experiencing is the outcome of a person who is not only mean. He/she may have personal, mental health or social adjustment issues. His/her comments should not be interpreted as a reflection on you or the value of your work. It may simply mean that person has impaired judgment.

What can an organization like the IGDA do to help developers and other industry members in incidences such as these?

The IGDA will continue to serve as a key support mechanism and resource for game developers worldwide. Developers have a place to get the information they need, find support from peers and colleagues and know they are not alone as they cope with any issue. We encourage the community to reach out to us when they have a need.

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Josh Neff
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Being a game developer gets less and less desirable everyday. Steadily decreasing pay, increasing demands, enormous amounts of internet hostility, and even invasions of privacy. Its enough to make one seriously reconsider alternative forms of employment.

John Maurer
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Messed up part is all the "doxxing" as they call it is deterring from the real issues surrounding each of these individuals. Every one of them is guilty of unethical practices, which is why they are each so eager to flout the more extreme comments thrown at them.

Internet bulling is wrong, not doubt, but I think its taking center stage when it should probably be taking at least an adjacent seat to what these individuals have been up to.

Not that I'm encouraging the behavior, but I don't feel a shred of pity for these people. If you've followed through even a little bit on what's out there it's kind of hard to say they didn't inject themselves into their situation and then make subsequent bad decisions that have exasperated the issue.

Speaking of which, I wonder how well Anita Sarkeesian youtube video's have been doing this week compared to a few weeks ago?

Katy Smith
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So someone is critical of games and you don't feel pity for her after she was forced to leave her house in fear of her own safety? I think you're part of the problem. :(

Kujel Selsuru
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If someone claimed to be able to harm her and it was a genuine threat why didn't she go to the police?

Kevin Fishburne
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@Kujel According to Anita's tweet, she did notify the police. I haven't heard that anyone else receiving death threats has done so, however. Here are some of the threats she received:

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/504718160902492160

Josh Neff
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Katy Smith - not sure if your comment was directed at me or not... gamasutra's forums leave something to be desired in being able to know who's saying what to whom... anyway, I for one see a huge difference between being critical of a game and telling a developer you want to kill them... criticism, when civil, is perfectly acceptable... stalking someone and their family and then threatening to kill them, as what was done in Anita's case is flat out unacceptable... regardless of if she did something wrong or not. Additionally, death threats ARE ILLEGAL... and for darn good reason! So... if your comment was directed at me, there's my response... if not... well, you got one anyway :)

Steven Stadnicki
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Just to be clear: what do you believe any of these individuals has done that's worse than, say, making credibly informed threats against an individual's family?

Christian Kulenkampff
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> If someone claimed to be able to harm her and it was a genuine threat why didn't she go to the police?

How do you know they didn't? It's nothing I expect from a harassed person to publicly announce.

I am glad the IGDA announced this.

@John Maurer: You are blatantly blaming the victims.

I hope HR people look at this site before hiring. The comment sections in many articles feel like great blacklists to me.

Kujel Selsuru
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@Christian Kulenkampff: Anita is a known liar so her claiming something like this happened is hard to believe without some evidence.

Jason Weesner
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Speaking of evidence, how is Anita a liar? I'm not trying to start an argument, but I would just like to understand why people like yourself have a problem with her.

John Maurer
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Broken other credible laws and ethics

http://whatculture.com/gaming/10-things-need-know-gamergate-scand
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Their actions give this whole thing context, that's kind of important

Josh Neff
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John Maurer, Not saying that some of it isn't deserved... but with this sort of thing, there is always collateral damage. People who don't deserve the treatment often get lambasted along with those who do.

Katy Smith
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Uh... She did?

http://www.ibtimes.com/feminist-gaming-critic-anita-sarkeesian-fa
cing-death-threats-1672288

Kujel Selsuru
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@Jason Weesner: In her kickstarter video she said she's a gamer but in another vidoe she says she's not a gamer and doesn't want to be one.

She completely missrepresents games like Hit Man Absolution by claiming you are supposed to kill the strippers in a very tiny part of the game when you are supposed to avoid them and not interact but that doesn't fit her agenda.

She takes tiny little fragments of games and blows them into way more then they are all the while glossing over the truth like the men in games ae also hyper sexualized but in her twisted mind it can only be sexist when men do it.

She's a misandrist plain and simple.

Oh and I'd be fine with her if she actually tried tackling real sexism in the industry like the issues with some of our gender exposing themselves to women in our industry but instead she blow up non-issues into issues that aren't really a big deal!

@Katy Smith your link does not prove anything, where is a police report to back up her claim that she has actually recived real credible death threats?

Katy Smith
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@josh, nope, not at you :) I agree with what you are saying. It is perfectly acceptable to disagree with someone's opinion. Getting into someone's personal life is waaay over the line.

Gern Blanston
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@John Maurer
@Kujel Selsuru

You two are are prime examples of what's entirely wrong with this situation. You create sympathy for someone who has made some of the most terrifying threats possible. You attempt to convince others that any human being deserves what happened to Anita. Maybe no one else on this forum, aside from Katy Smith, has the guts to tell you two how it really is. But you are honestly pretty sick individuals who need to do some deep self-reflection to figure out where your human compassion and decency went.

It's also very disheartening to see that any single person gave you guys up-votes. There is apparently much wisdom to be sought around these forums.

Kujel Selsuru
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@Gren Blanston: I'm not condoing anything but I highly doubt these comments are real as it's Anita who's claiming they are and I don't trust a word she says cause she is a liar and a con artist. If some one can show me an actual police report I'll believe the comments are real and if they are they are not cool.

With that said Anita brings this kind of thing on herself by lying, coning and generally not being honest. As I said in my previous post if she wanted to highlight real issues in gaming like actual sexual harrasment in the game develompment community I'd not a have an issue but she doesn't, she just spins things in games to fit her biased agenda!

Christiaan Moleman
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@Maurer, Selsuru: I cannot believe that anyone here would defend this kind of behaviour. For shame.

John Maurer
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Your twisting it, blatantly so. No where in anything I wrote did I pardon the threats made by foolish practitioners of social media.

Christiaan Moleman
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No. By blaming the victims, expressing "no pity" and declaring the victims (?!) should be "brought to justice" you ARE defending it. A flimsy 'abuse is bad'-disclaimer doesn't change that.

Kujel Selsuru
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@Christiaan Moleman: Who's defending death threats? Myself I'm saying Anita can't be trusted cause she's been caught lying multiple times so if she says something happened it is a distinct possiblity she's making it up.

If these posts are genunine they do cross the line even when involving Anita but I'm not convinced they are genuine cause I've not seen credible evidence of it. Anita is not a credible source of any kind of information.

Josh Neff
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Credibility isn't a factor when death threats are involved. You don't play games with death threats... ever. True or not, all death threats should always bee taken with the utmost seriousness.

And that is where you're running afoul. You're focusing overly much on Anita's credibility. Not saying you don't care or any such thing... just pointing out where your argument is running aground... so to speak.

John Maurer
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@Gern Blanston

"I cannot believe that anyone here would defend this kind of behaviour. For shame."

Right, because drawing attention to the issues surrounding the reporting of the incident and the nature of the people at the heart of the matter automatically creates sympathy for harassers, go burn another witch.

"A flimsy 'abuse is bad'-disclaimer doesn't change that."

Right, because if I actually meant it your tangent wouldn't mean anything, so let's keep dismissing my perspective and people with similar perspectives off as villains so's you can save face.

John Maurer
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@John Neff

Credibility not a factor? I think a jury might disagree

John Maurer
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double-post

John Maurer
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http://whatculture.com/gaming/10-things-need-know-gamergate-scand
al.php

It's a good place to start

John Maurer
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@Gern Blanston

Right, because anyone not placing emphasis on the single point your focused on is completely devoid of wisdom, thanks Yoda

Ryan Andrew Smith
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Call the cops, don't feed the trolls. It's what I've been saying for years.

I hope more people will take this route now. There is absolutely zero point in engaging trolls or assholes on the internet.

Christian Kulenkampff
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As if the police could magically change the situation. We need a culture of speaking up against these "trolls".

Also see http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/8618-The
-Wacky-Harassment-Blame-Parade

Ryan Andrew Smith
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I strongly disagree. They feed off of attention, giving them zero attention is the best way to fight them. Speaking up against them is only going to make more people do it.

EDIT: To make it clear, I was just agreeing with points 1 and 2 from the IGDA repsonse.

Christian Kulenkampff
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So we should just shut up when ignorant callous cowards invade our spaces? The internet exposes you to all this hatred and you should just let it in? I comment on quite some blogs and bulletin boards, whenever people talk about social issues a brigade of misanthropes turns up and derails the conversation. Rigorous deleting (when it's possible) doesn't make it appear less and deleting always drives the edge cases towards the misanthropes.

Ryan Andrew Smith
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"So we should just shut up when ignorant callous cowards invade our spaces?"
No, just don't engage them. Report them, and ignore them. Let the moderators take care of them, that's their job. Arguing with trolls will not make them go away, and it only makes things worse - just ask any moderator of a large community.

Keep in mind, these people could be anybody. They could be ten year olds for all you know. Unless it's somebody who you actually know who's acting like a complete ass, report, ignore, move along.

Christian Kulenkampff
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Reporting does not help when the comment in question is enough opinion that moderators or service providers like twitter can't simply delete it. Just look in this comment section. You can't simply report bad attitude and insidious arguments. Those commentators pave the way for the illegal harassers yet they can successfully hide behind "free speech", hypocrisy and "devil's advocacy".

Ryan Andrew Smith
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Okay so now we're not talking about trolls anymore, we're talking about people with different opinions. There's a big difference.

Having discussions with people with different opinions is different because in that case both people have an urge to share their ideas - however legitimate those ideas may be - and in the best case scenario are willing to change their minds if needed, whereas a troll posts things just to get a negative reaction out of people.
People having bad attitudes is entirely subjective, surely you realise this? And even then, people with what you might perceive as a bad attitude might offer a perspective that you hadn't thought about. I don't see those things as problems, as long as it stays within the bounds of the rules of a website / comment section (especially since in the case of Gamasutra, staying respectful is one of the rules, as is keeping one's criticisms to a person's work, not their person). Saying they pave the way for criminal behavior like harassment, doxxing and threats is a slippery slope argument that I disagree with.

Christian Kulenkampff
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> People having bad attitudes is entirely subjective, surely you realise this?

No. There are scientifically proven bad attitudes. There is racism, misogyny and ableism all over the internet. When the people who spread these ideas show no interest in other opinions and are not willing to move I call them trolls. They just pollute spaces that shouldn't be about discrimination.

I will always address such attitudes when I have the time and energy for it. This is why I don't agree with "don't feed the trolls". If you think we should either let those trolls loose or have rules that cover their behavior I am for better rules.

Maybe Gamasutra should explicitly ban slut shaming and victim blaming.

Kevin Fishburne
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What we need is a team who can expose people's identities when they break the law by issuing terroristic threats. I'm surprised Anonymous hasn't taken up the cause...it's right up their alley. A lot of employers now actually Google potential employees. Imagine if you just scheduled an interview for a job and your boss decides to look you up online, only to find you've been threatening women with the improper use of a tire iron. Shame and ostracization are the answer here.

Jeff Leigh
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Be careful what you wish for. I'm sure there are already HR service companies incorporating web searches into their background checking services for companies. I'm sure there are companies working on fully automated systems - just having your name on pages discussing particular topics affect your "score". An algorithm will never be smart enough to know if what you said is really good or bad, and using people to make those calls just result in other unfair biases.

I can see trolls having a field day with this... far easier than 'doxxing' someone. Just download their avatar image, create forum and social media accounts across the web, and have them say terrible stuff. Shame and ostracization!

Kevin Fishburne
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That's a rather nightmarish situation you describe, but until there's some sort of "universal ID" on the Internet there's not much we can do about it. Companies are already using psychological testing to filter out online job applicants; what you describe is the next logical step.

With respect to curbing psychopathic behavior on the Internet, shame and ostracization have been used to control individual behavior in societies from the beginning. The only difference online is anonymity, which should be forfeited if the privilege is sufficiently abused. Threats of violence cross the free speech line and are reason enough for a public outing. In general I believe the right to be anonymous is important, but there are limits.

John Maurer
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@katy smith
How can you be critical of games when it's painfully obvious from watching her she doesn't really play games, she targets them for ridicule. In my opinion people like YOU are the problem, dismissing the subtleties of the situation because their to complex in opt for a simpler to understand smoke screen.

@Steven Sadniki
Exploitation, misrepresentation, blatant lies, fraud, if your not going to do the homework then just don't chime in dude.

@Christian Kulenkamff
Yes, when someone works for as long as they have on trying to draw attention to themselves, and finally gets it only to discover the seeds they planted were as sour as they are, yea, I fall back to the "careful what you ask for" cliché.

And right, anyone who disagree's with you commits professional suicide? Get over yourself

@Josh Neff
The real collateral damage is the art and business of what we do. You don't think this thing is going to impact future product? You don't think this isn't going to change how the industry approaches problems? You don't think these folks weren't aiming for something similar when this whole thing began? Really look into this thing before you comment back, because part of the misdirection lies in consequence to the industry, not just a handful of people.

@Gern Blaston
I'm not creating sympathy for anyone, the psycho's that are eliciting these threats are not excused in anyway, you twisting it, and you know it.

Kujel Selsuru
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I second this post!

Jason Weesner
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"...when someone works for as long as they have on trying to draw attention to themselves, and finally gets it only to discover the seeds the planted were as sour as they are..." - huh?

'The real collateral damage is the art and business of what we do." - how so?

Please explain? I'm not stupid, but I am totally confused. As I see it, the industry is being called out for bad behavior that permeates the entire process from development through to finished products. Change is long past due. Because the industry generally doesn't speak up for itself, other people took the lead and were subsequently lambasted and threatened for their efforts by a vocal group of "gamers' who feel that their "culture" is being threatened.

Don't shoot the messenger seems to apply to this entire situation.

John Maurer
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@ Josh & Jason

The mainstream industry isn't being called out on anything, the indie community and gaming media are. Their response is to highlight the one side of this that has nothing to do with them.

If you can't see that then no worries man, I'm not trying to convince you.

In terms of how it will affect our industry? Well, the flux capacitor is out in my 1985 delorian, so exact figures are going to be ruff, but I think it's easy to see how this could affect game content and by virtue inhibit creative freedoms, become a central topic in creating more censorship, and having changes upon the work environment.

All three of which these women have professed over and over again to change.

If your going to argue for the kind of change something like this brings about, then at least your being honest.

But enough crying victim, these people are exactly where they wanted to be, just not exactly in the way the wanted.

http://whatculture.com/gaming/10-things-need-know-gamergate-scand
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Josh Neff
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John Maurer - "The real collateral damage is the art and business of what we do." Do you have numbers to back that assertion? Do you think Art and Business are more important than people? Do you think bad behavior justifies the use of death threats? Do you understand the difference between bullying and death threats?

It is entirely possible that this is some kind of PR ploy... or that it is designed to cover up unethical practices... however, until those death threats are dealt with, I don't care. I don't play with death threats. I will never just ignore them because I happen to dislike/disagree with someone over something that pales in importance to a human life.

People can always be punished for wrong doings... but you can never get back a life that has been taken.

John Maurer
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In the end, we all want the same thing, accountability. Thing is, just because the questionable professional conduct of these three people got caught by the general public and resulted in some very illegal commentary by random crazies doesn't excuse it.

Punish the people making the comments, but bring these three to justice. After All these antics people are forgetting there are very serious legal repercussions to actions that have taken place on all sides of this problem.

That last part, --is never good for business--.

Mike Higbee
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bingo john, but the slew of articles like these all conveniently close to each other doesn't help the skepticism either.

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Christiaan Moleman
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And your posting a list of articles reacting to this appalling behaviour proves what exactly? Other than multiple people being equally disgusted by recent events?

Mike Higbee
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If by 'appalling behaviour' you mean basically no mention of people questioning journalistic integrity and just editorial soapbox pieces calling gamers (the people these people collect ad revenue on and supposedly write articles they make a living on) cliches and childish names then maybe you'd start to see that those few assholes who do the doxing/threats are outnumbered by people who condemn anyone who has a differing opinion or questions by lumping them in with them.

Christiaan Moleman
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Here's a tip: If your response to criminal harassment of developers and critics is "yeah, but zero understanding of journalism and ethics" you are lumping yourself in with them.

John Maurer
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Nobody is saying "yeah" to harassment, we're saying it should not take center stage to the professional misconduct that lead to it.

It wasn't right when the families of Enron employee's where harassed during and after the trials, but it didn't excuse their actions, nor did their harassment take center stage.

Your not being impartial at all to the facts and your refusing to recognize the legal environment which is why you haven't broken the problem down to liabilities yet, which can be especially important when one of these people calls themselves a business owner and the other two have called themselves activists.

The kind of commentary made by this sort of radical segment of the general public is always wrong, and each person involved in making them is in trouble, but with this one aspect pushed hardest to the general public it looks more like a play for empathy, which is where most of the media outrage is coming from.

This is exasperated by the another set of radicals pushing "political correctness" combined with feminism and some pretty recent history where this kind of harassment has hurt people in the business.

The problem I have with this issue verses every other incident of harassment like it is the people at the center of it. Considering what they have been doing and how they have gone about doing it I'm not surprised in the slightest by the outcome. And with exposure like this yea the Internet is going to say the darnedest things.

@Andreas Ojerfors
My speaking a version of the truth that differs from your version of the truth doesn't imply anything, but yes based on your post it is clear to see that the harassment aspect to this three part problem is of the utmost import in your mind. And although I will agree there is never a situation where behaving this way is correct and concur that such behavior be punished, I will not ignore the circumstances that brought it about. Neither should you

Christiaan Moleman
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@Maurer:

What 'facts'? What 'professional misconduct'?

You mean the Depression Quest review which Nathan Grayson never wrote? The fact that games journalists are acquainted with and spend time with people who make games (ie their sources, which *newsflash* is how journalism works)? The fact that a critic is critical of games?
In what parallel universe is there ANY actual grievance here not consisting of the delusional ramblings of 4chan-dwellers?

Everything you've written here is transparently an attempt to further attack the victims.

John Maurer
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@Christiaan Moleman

"Everything you've written here is transparently an attempt to further attack the victims."

Everything I've written has taken the emotion out of internet harassment and tried to look at all three front's of the issue, internet harassment, quality/integrity of industry reporting (almost all of which is purely online), and the legal environment that the key people and harassers could find themselves in.

All you've done is try to misdirect that, make it about something it's not..

I'm sorry if it's not PC to not feel bad for people who manage to stir up that much trouble. Doesn't mean I hate them, I don't even know them, more to the point I wouldn't care to, but I would care to know how this whole mess even came about, wouldn't you?

"The fact that games journalists are acquainted with and spend time with people who make games (ie their sources, which *newsflash* is how journalism works)?"

Yes, it's called professional distance, you can google it.


"The fact that a critic is critical of games?"

Yes, Anita would have to play games to be critical of them, instead of going after character design choices in order to get more hits on youtube.

"In what parallel universe is there ANY actual grievance here not consisting of the delusional ramblings of 4chan-dwellers?"

Yes, in-fact there is. But I'm not doing your homework for you, google is your friend.

Christiaan Moleman
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>it's called professional distance

Cute. A games writer getting to know an indie developer, online or on in person, and then writing about their work is not a conflict of interest. It's how they find out about the work. If you want to talk about actual issues of distance, talk about the separation between advertising and editorial in AAA games press, talk about publishers flying out writers to expensive press events. The fact that you choose to hound a handful of small devs and critics whilst hiding behind an 'ethics' discussion says everything you need to know about your motives.

I'm not going to google your conspiracy nonsense. Go back to 4chan.

John Maurer
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I in fact don't hold a 4chan account, and there is no theory, there is either widespread conflict of interest or widespread incompetence with more "modern" industry media sources. Man, when said like that, I kinda hope it's conspiracy.

"Cute. A games writer getting to know an indie developer, online or on in person, and then writing about their work is not a conflict of interest."

No, it isn't, its called reporting. So long as the written word is objective, it would just be journalism.

Writing a piece that pushes an agenda because you and your contact are cool isn't.

Rapidly taking to an Internet website with out fully researching the situation and writing what you feel isn't journalism, it's blogging, and blogging is anything but unbiased

Christiaan Moleman
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Oh, you're one of those people...

Here you go: http://www.objectivegamereviews.com/

Kujel Selsuru
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I think this piece is very appropriate for the given conversation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km3DZQp0StE

Amir Barak
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By the way to all the writers who just jumped on the bandwagon to write against 'gamers' --> point number 4 is specifically for you.

Jon Carpenter
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How come theres no mention of TFYC? they got harrased by zoe quinn. http://i.imgur.com/jaDm3kZ.jpg
They also had there indiegogo Hacked and put offline for a couple of days.

TotalBiscuit was getting harrased, so is some guy called Boogie2988. lots of people are getting harrased yet you only mention zoe, anita, and phil. Was it not phil who said TotalBiscuit was a disgusting nerd?

As someone who's very sceptical of zoe and phil, this piece feels biased.

I'm also amazed how TFYC has recieved so little media attention. Usually writers are all over this kind of stuff.

Andreas Ojerfors
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I’m just so disappointed in seeing some of the comments here.

When people recieve this level of harassment there’s only one decent way for us to respond: A display of utter disgust and condemnation. Discussion about the merits of the work or behavior of the harassed can come later.

The claims that Sarkeesian is lying are ridiculous. She has said she loves videogames but is disappointed by how they portray women. She has talked about how she’d love to play video games but have issues with the violence. These statements are not mutually exclusive. And exactly to what degree she enjoys games is such a sidetrack, a footnote in the grand scheme of things. The argument reeks of desperation, and it’s an insidious one. By repeating this bullshit you are legitimizing the harassers. And by questioning the truth of the harassment you have stepped over a line and are actively taking part in it.

She’s not a hardcore gamer. So what? She can’t comment on the medium if she’s not a gaming nerd? Get a clue!

There’s certainly room for discussion about her critique of video game tropes, as with all cultural criticism, and I’d enjoy taking part in that. But when the headline is “PERSON FLEES HOME BECAUSE OF DEATH THREATS” your response shouldn’t ever be “Well I don’t agree with everything she has to say”.

Time to grow up.

Luis Guimaraes
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While I agree with almost the entire post and think it's one of the best ways to go, and also think its very sensibly written, there are two things I believe are damaging the argument:

1) "by questioning the truth of X you are actively taking part in Y"

This is one very, very dangerous line of thought.

Not just wrong, but downright dangerous. I'd say everything that's wrong is dangerous anyway, but it's a edge case.

2) "Time to grow up."

Finish a rather well-reasoned comment with a bitter and emotionally carried combination of ad hominem and ad passiones? Almost puts in doubt everything else you said to the point I wonder if I'm doing right by agreeing with you up until there...

Andreas Ojerfors
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Thanks for your reply, Luis!

1) You're right, it can be dangerous. But it can also be true. It all depends on context. And the context here is one of a series of poorly fabricated attacks on Anita's credibility.

We see individuals desperately trying to conjure doubt, yelling about lies when no lies are to be seen. These transparent attempts at her character are then wielded as weapons against her reports of harassment – ironic, as they’re part of it. In this light, their refusal to recognize the harassment becomes harassment in itself. By participating in this awful game they allow themselves to become the agents of her final insult.

This is not a case of “either you are with us or against us”. This is about seeing through inept reasoning designed to maim and saying enough is enough.

2) You wrongly identify two separate logical fallacies in a statement that is not a logical argument. There is no reason to reconsider the previous arguments; they stand on their own. No, this final sentence is not an argument – it is a passionate request. Bullying is a method of the immature, and it is indeed time for the bullies to grow up.

When we observe harassment a passionate response is nothing less than our moral obligation! Enough is enough!

Luis Guimaraes
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I can't really argue against much of that without going off-topic and studying each premise in separate with I'm really not up to. It's true those are not arguments, but still classify as rhetoric, and that rhetoric is a very flawed one that only lower the quality of your post.

Thanks for the reply anyway.

Jennifer Graz
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Yeah this is clearly the issue - the harassment that goes on everyday for everyone on the Internet - not the proven cases of game 'journalists' and 'indie game devs' and outside agitators (Sarkeesian) collaborating and colluding to grant each other money, prizes, and media exposure. Not the obvious contempt that you have for your audience.

I have yet to see any articles on Gamasutra that aren't defensive of both your 'social justice' posturing or the people involved. You censor comments that attempt to point this out or raise any disagreement (I'll be surprised if this comment lasts a day).

And you wonder why you're losing your readers and we're contacting your advertisers.


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