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  Casual Connect: PopCap CEO Roberts Praises Crossover Games Exclusive
by Erin Bell [PC, Console/PC, Casual, Exclusive]
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July 22, 2009
 
Casual Connect: PopCap CEO Roberts Praises Crossover Games

The casual games industry should struggle less with "micro-demographics that target 40-year-old cooking soccer moms with two children" and focus on creating more crossover games that play well in both the hardcore and casual space, said PopCap Games CEO David Roberts.

In his keynote address to kick off the second day of the Casual Connect conference in Seattle, Roberts, whose firm helped start the casual boom with Bejeweled, and whose games Peggle and Plants Vs. Zombies have been notable hits of late, took the industry to task for not doing enough to court crossover gamers.

He commented: "If you think about it historically, games have always been played by broad audiences. Games were for men and women, young and old, played on tables in parlors and on laps in cars."

"It really wasn't until sometime in the '70s, when we saw the advent of video games like Pac-Man and Space Invaders, that games got hijacked by a new demographic: 14-24 year-old males that started to play in droves, and the whole industry grew around them and thrived."

Industry focus continued to narrow on this demographic, in spite of the fact that it makes up only about 13% of the population.

Roberts likened hardcore game companies to Hollywood studios, whose big budgets and aversion to risk lock them for the most part into blockbuster and sequel-based formulas.

"[The hardcore] industry is controlled by the 800-pound gorillas. They have continued to create larger and more expensive games for smaller audiences. As a necessity, they have to take smaller risks and have multi-million dollar budgets," said Roberts. "Game innovation, I would argue, has all but stopped in the hardcore space, or at least has come to a glacial crawl."

Casual game studios are more like indie film studios, Roberts said. With lower budgets they can take more risks and potentially build games that are more creative.

However, while there's plenty of room for the casual industry to reach the remaining 87% of the population that isn't 14-24 year-old males, Roberts said developers haven't been doing a great job of doing so.

Roberts chastised the casual industry for producing too much of what he called "panderware" - games about cooking and weddings and raising the kids. "Game-a-day portals are conditioning customers not to care about quality or innovation but just to care about getting a game every day. We need to break out of the 'games for Moms' box that we've built for ourselves."

According to Roberts, the casual games industry has also suffered from what he called the "bright shiny light" problem.

"Four years ago, everyone was talking about PC and Mac games on portals and soccer moms were the big new market. There was a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, and everyone could work for six months and make millions. Then mobile came on the scene... Then Flash games: those were going to democratize gaming; free online games were going to change everything - until of course they didn't."

"Somewhere along the way, Club Penguin sold themselves to Disney and everyone was sure free MMOs aimed at 'tweens were going to make the industry totally change ... and of course this year, if you've been to any of the sessions, the big thing is social. So we've been pretty scattered as an industry going from one bright, shiny light to another, and it's one of the problems that we collectively have to deal with."

"We as an industry have short attention spans ... but also we yearn to try games that are more exciting. The economics allow us as an industry to take some risks that hardcore teams don't."

"About one fifth of the Internet population plays both hardcore and casual games. In our quest for the demographic of soccer moms we miss out on this potentially lucrative demographic," said Roberts.

The casual game executive concluded: "That crossover audience is PopCap's focus. The sheer size is such that we really can't ignore it. If you don't build something that appeals to the crossover audience, you're cutting the audience in half from the very start, and you don't have to be a marketing genius to figure out that this isn't a good idea."

[Gamasutra is presenting its Casual Connect 2009 coverage in association with Gamezebo (http://www.gamezebo.com), the leading editorial and community site for casual games across all platforms. The site features reviews, previews, news, and strategy guides for the latest and greatest in casual games.]
 
   
 
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Kevin Wei
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"Casual game studios are more like indie film studios."

That's funny...look at PopCap's portfolio. All puzzle or word games. Indie film studios are agile enough to innovate which don't regularly fit or make sense for blockbusters, yes. But notice they "innovate" meaning they push the film medium forward. Likewise, an ideal indie game studio should strive to further define the video game medium (narrative design, emotional communication, etc). I don't see that with PopCap. They make digital toys. This crossover crap just seems like more marketing mumbo jumbo.

Mark Laframboise
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That headline is misleading. I thought it was actually about "Crossover Games": http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxgames/

James Cooley
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I am part of the demographic that plays both casual and hardcore games. I was alternating between Plants vs. Zombies and Fallout 3 for a solid month, with time spent on both pretty much each day. Both fulfilled their potential to be standouts in their genres. I found that Plants v.s Zombies was kind of like a dessert, while Fallout 3 was a full meal. Sometimes you just want dessert.

Casual games are great gifts, I have found. I know they will play on pretty much any system out there and they are often real bargains on Steam. I gave my daughter Plants vs. Zombies for $7.49. That is a lot of entertainment-per-dollar value.

I plan on putting some casual games (like Chainz 2: Relinked and Peggle) on my Acer Aspire One netbook to have portable entertainment. It won't run Oblivion or Mass Effect worth a flip, but it will let my trusty peashooters stop the zombies on my lawn.

Dan VanBogelen
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Companies like Popcap, bigfish, oberon, and a few others seem to sell exactly the same stuff. I get newsletters from some of those IP's and I have rarely seen anything other then picture search games come out for months.

They tend to create from a small list of genres; match 3, time management, and item search. Anything outside of those,I really look forward to trying out.

Giordano Contestabile
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Dan: did you try Plants Vs Zombies? :)

Give it a try:

http://www.popcap.com/games/pvz/?icid=plantsvszombies_HP_DL_1_8_19_08_en

Shawnna Bass
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I really like the sound of what Roberts is saying. As a person who's worked for casual game places, it would be wonderful if companies would start to stretch out a bit more and appeal to more than just moms. I'm a girl, and I like all kinds of games. I don't have kids. I don't like to cook or sew. I do like zombies and monsters ^_^.

Alexander Bruce
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Heavy Weapon, Peggle and Plants VS Zombies are good examples that PopCap are successful with more than just word/puzzle games.

Kevin Wei
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I got no problem with PopCap the company. I myself am a "hardcore" gamer who enjoyed both Peggle and Plants vs. Zombies.

My only contention is against their PR and outlook. If you're going to compare yourself to an indie film studio, then know what you're saying, because I certainly see no direct parallels. "Indie," like Fox Searchlight Pictures, is about experimental cinema without a proven audience base, but they go forward for the sake of the medium. There's nothing in it about "crossovers" or trying to gobble up as many consumer segments as possible. A responsible indie studio should be using its agility to produce works that demonstrate the potential of the medium, ESPECIALLY the nascent video game industry. By that I mean making video games that ease older and female markets into the language of interactive entertainment, so that they experience what they never thought possible. If you're not willing to take on this mantle, then make hardcore blockbusters. If you lack the resources to make blockbusters or really just want to make "casual" games, then please do so.

PopCap's good at making addictive "casual" games, and they should continue doing it. But don't come out and liken yourself to an indie film studio and claim that you're helping out the industry. Not unless you got the balls to show for it.

Yannick Boucher
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I have to agree with Kevin here. I'm a huge fan of Peggle (which, btw, definitely classifies as a puzzle game, Alexander, if not, then what?), and I'm totally addicted to Bejeweled Blitz, and I like Plants vs Zombies.

But a gaming equivalent of an indie film studio would probably be more along the lines of guys like id software, or indeed, Bethesda (as someone mentioned Fallout 3), or United Game Artists back then, with Rez as a good example. Indie film studios push the envelope in terms of storytelling, of visuals, and so forth. They take HUGE commercial risks to realize these visions. That is not the case of PopCap, Playfish, Gameloft, or others along the same vein. They make really really fun (and in the case of PopCap, very well-tuned) games, but there is nothing "commercially risky" nor is there a "unique vision" in any of their products, in fact, quite the contrary, their goal and their purpose is to reach an extremely wide audience, the historical one he described earlier.

Again, not dissing them at all, just agreeing that the "indie film studio" comparison is a bit shaky. In fact, define "innovation", first, I'd say.

Ethan Verrall
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Hmm but Peggle, Plants vs Zombies, these types of games have gameplay that would generally be considered to be 'different' then the majority of vanilla "hardcore" games. As is the case with a lot of casual games... that was what the comparison point was making.

I would also take note, if you read the article carefully he did not specify "PopCap" but *all* Casual Game Studios... and I would completely agree with his statement.


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