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  Infinity Ward Pulls Modern Warfare 2 Video Amid Criticism
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November 2, 2009
 
Infinity Ward Pulls  Modern Warfare 2  Video Amid Criticism

A viral video for Infinity Ward's upcoming Modern Warfare 2 was apparently intended to be a humorous take on the practice of grenade "spamming," but a questionable -- and to many, offensive -- use of the acronym "F.A.G.S." eventually led the studio to pull the promotion for the military-themed shooter.

The video, uploaded to YouTube and initially linked from the Twitter account of Infinity Ward creative strategist Robert Bowling, appears to use Modern Warfare 2's game engine to spoof a public service announcement against "grenade spam" -- or randomly tossing grenades in hopes of getting a cheap kill in an online game.

The viral video featured the voicework of Philadelphia Phillies pitcher Cole Hamels. "Be cool. Avoid random grenades," he said. "They're for pussies." Following his advice, his avatar is pelted with a slew of grenades, and he exclaims "What the fuck?" followed by all the grenades simultaneously exploding.

It's the parting message of the video that has caught the most heat from critics, as the words appearing on screen are "Funding Provided By: Fight Against Grenade Spam." Internet denizens immediately discerned the acronym "F.A.G.S."

The not-so-subtle use of the derogatory term almost instantly ignited criticisms from gamers and game journalists, who blogged and Tweeted about the promotion. Inevitably, two parties formed: the people who called the video out as being offensive, and those who accused critics of being too politically correct or oversensitive.

"People are overreacting," said one reader on Game Infomer's website. "This kind of language is used in plenty of blockbuster movies and other forms of media so I don't really understand why people make a big deal out of it. Some people need to stop taking everything they see so seriously."

One reader commenter on gaming blog Joystiq stated, "It's not so much the use of the term but the people they're using it for. It's not some clever or ironic joke designed to reclaim the word or somehow [to] turn it round on those who use it wrongly. It's aimed at the kids of [Xbox] Live who already scream it all over the place."

A reader on GayGamer.net said, "Regardless of how one feels about homophobic language in 'nonsexual' contexts, actually endorsing a term like that through an official video is something like the height of arrogance and insensitivity."

On Twitter, Infinity Ward's Bowling responded to the criticism: "I think it was more of a social commentary joke of that stereotype than it was a fist-bump of acceptance to it." An hour later, he was convinced that it was a good idea to take down the video. "I think the core gag is great, the end is a bit too far from the intent of the joke and can appreciate the concerns. Pulled." The video was up for less than two days. (Other YouTube users, however, have uploaded the video to their accounts.)

GayGamer.net writer "Dawdle" said following the canning of the video, "Despite all we hear about the industry 'growing up,' the majority reaction to something like this just reminds me that it's ruled by pubescent straight boys."

We've contacted Infinity Ward parent Activision for further comment, and will update this story accordingly with any new information.
 
   
 
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Tyler Peters
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Huh, I would have expected a bit more from these guys, seems a little ignorant to think you could put this up without causing offense to various groups.
Certainly you wouldn't create a video that included an acronym offensive to, say, African Americans.
Why the would you do it to gays?

Locky Thindromen
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Brilliant advertising. Create an entertaining commercial, throw in some minor addition guaranteed to generate a lot of controversy, remove the video once the controversy flares up. Here is the good part... because of all the noise generated by those protesting your video, and the fact that it was removed for being too controversial, 100 times as many people will look up and watch the re-posted "banned" video.

I would have never even payed attention to a funny MW2 vid, but one risque enough to warrant a news post on Gamasutra, well you have to wonder what all the fuss is about.

Mark Wilhelm
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Locky has it right, from a Marketing guy's perspective at least.

My personal opinion is that anyone who was offended by this little video ought to reflect on why they allowed themselves to be.

Meredith Katz
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And my personal opinion is anyone not offended by this little video ought to reflect on why they weren't.

Anthony Merrill
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give me a break...honestly

Chris Remo
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Mark,

Have you ever played a game on Xbox Live? It's full of horrible teenagers shouting horrible hateful terms that would have (justifiably) driven my parents to throw away my game console if they'd heard me using them, if I had grown up with a game console. It's unpleasant and ugly and makes for a considerably worse online experience. A video like this is guaranteed to do nothing but validate those idiots' online behavior--after all, that kind of language is given a wink and a nod by the game's developer. And what's particularly ridiculous is that it isn't even a clever pun purely in the context of this video. It's just grasping for a feeble joke.

Tyler Peters
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If this truly was done as marketing ploy - it is the lowest form of it possible and smacks of inexperience.
Infinity Ward has made some pretty classy and amazing videos for MW2, however this just indicates that not all PR is good PR.
I'm all for pushing the edges, but making a blatantly derogatory comment towards a single group that is already lambasted within the gaming community is not only idiotic, it's irresponsible.
@ Chris - you are 100% right.

j kelly
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Unbelievable that people would read so far into an ad to be offended by something so silly. I got one. I'm offended that a game based on killing other people is so popular. I would think that would be the more offensive subject to bitch about.

Chris Remo
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J,

I think that's a valid point to make if you really do have something to say about it. But to claim that you have to "read so far" into this video to notice something going on is a pretty amazing claim. Bowling's response indicates clearly it was a deliberate implication on Infinity Ward's part. It's hardly hidden deep in there.

Meredith Katz
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J Kelly, maybe if I explain a little the stance on offendedness:

People don't use words like fag by accident. They don't -- it's got way too much meaning to be tossed around without thinking. If it was something like "That's totally gay", well, that's still offensive (honestly! Having a term for part of your self-identity being used as a "really sucks" insult?), but it gets tossed around without people thinking about it. Fag isn't one of those. That means it was thrown in there on purpose -- as a nod to the standard "fanboy" diction, maybe, or, yeah, as a marketting technique.

I'm homosexual. I don't think I'd HAVE to be to be homosexual to be offended by this -- I'd like to think that anyone who spent a moment to step back and have sympathy would be. Anyway, I'm also a game designer (children's educational titles, mostly), and a hardcore gamer. That means, within my chosen community -- working in the job I adore and playing the games I adore -- I am constantly being insulted. Insulting, intended to injure language is constantly being used, and insulting and injurous concepts are constantly being presented. The "big insult" to fellow hardcore gamers is to insinuate they're gay. I mean, that's making them out to be the worst of the worst, the lowest of the low: fags. A video like this encourages that, on the hardcore gaming side. And on the development side? That sort of mindset, a *marketting ploy*? Taking a group which, like Peters pointed out, is already lambasted in the gaming community (for no "real" reason) and making something hurtful towards them a marketting ploy because it might give a few of the previous hardcore fanboys, given to using the "big insult", a grin?

Yeah. Okay. I'm offended. Is that really unbelievable? That I'd wake up, come in to work (at my gaming company), and seeing the gaming community once again not just insulting me and many of the people I care about, but treating it like it's totally absurd to be offended? Are you *serious*?

Ed Stastny
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If the point of advertising like this is to get more people to see the ad, mission accomplished. If the point is to sell the game, it failed for me. Too many other good games out this season, I'm not giving my money to a company who'd bank on such hatefulness and intolerance to sell a game. If you must buy it, buy it used.

Adam Bishop
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Let's imagine that instead of F.A.G.S. the acronym had been N.I.G.G.E.R. Would anyone still be defending Infinity Ward? Would people be saying that black people just need to get a sense of humour? Highly unlikely. The term "fag" isn't a form of light humour to gently poke fun at others, it's an insidious insult whose purpose is to make people who are different feel unwelcome and degraded. There is nothing funny or light-hearted about it in any way.

And let's not make inane comparisons between *imaginary* violence in a game and *real* hatred directed at *actual* people. The difference is entirely obvious.

j kelly
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It is like being offended by Hitler's outlandish taste in upper lip adornment as he invades Poland. You are getting mad at a play on the word Frag, used in a game, played mostly by people who use terms far behind the lines of political correctness when berating each other. Can you see how futile it would be to hang some level of responsibility on the gaming community on such a topic? The point of the game is to rack up kills, head shots are a bonus.

As a society, that is what people want to play <--- bigger problem

term fag and frag used interchangeably <------ smaller problem

Sorry to be so callous, but sometimes things need to be put into perspective, your offense on such a cause (and again, I don't mean to belittle it, just stating my opinion) will put nary a dent in the sales of MW2, or bring to light the injustices you face daily. For that, I am truly sorry. Perhaps your time would be better spent on coining a phrase that will substitute the word "gay" for "that sucks/stinks."

Chris Remo
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J,

I think the difference here is that people are discussing a localized incident versus an extremely broad trend. It's one thing to take an issue with millions of people wanting to play a game that essentially trivializes war, but that applies to so many games that I don't think it's fair to simply divert any discussion not about that topic as it pertains to one specific game. You are essentially saying any issue less grievous than the one you raise is not worthy of discussion.

And, by extension, since you yourself use Hitler as an analogy, it is like saying anyone lamenting any real-world tragedy less horrific than World War II or the holocaust needs to get some perspective. It's not an analogy I would make on my own, since obviously it's way out of scale with anything being discussed in this thread, but it's already been introduced at this point.

It may be true that what you say is cause for concern, and it may not be. But whether or not that is the case, there is still a separate issue here worthy of discussion surrounding Infinity Ward's casual and public legitimizing of a term a lot of us feel is used to tiresome and ugly effect in online gaming. At least the killing in online games is entirely virtual, whereas such language is regularly cast about in earnest.

Meredith Katz
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...fag and frag *aren't* used independantly. Frag is a term describing killing people, as slang for "fragmentation with a hand grenade". It is an action. Fag is an insult used to degrade people by calling them/comparing them to homosexuals.

Meredith Katz
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Sorry, I meant "interchangeably". (*are* used independantly, *aren't* used interchangeably.)

Have you thought maybe being offended/hurt is less about thinking we can actually do anything to change it and more because, you know, it's hurtful? And maybe, if people actually cared about this (ha-ha), there'd be less of it? And maybe that's why the video was pulled -- because it was ultimately agreed that it would *encourage* already prevalent hurtful behavior?

Richard Matey
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I would agree with some of the people above about the effectiveness of this "viral" video and gaining extra attention that is not necessary for a mega title like this. The core internet audience is already aware of your title and scrubbed through your edited internet trailers to gain extra information. In general this video leaves a bad taste and gives a couple knocks to the studio. First one being, this is a week after Robert Bowling declared that studios should take hold of its own marketing. This combined with the Pc controversy is not a very good intro to their plan and public opinion. Second, Infinity Ward should be a showcase piece of the games industry for pushing the boundaries of interactive story telling. Their work on COD4 was superb. The evential attention for the terrorist portion of the next installment is something I can see defending but how can I get behind a studio that makes ill written comments like this? Third, this is not a satire piece of the gross nature of on-line gaming. They are putting pot leaf backgrounds for player titles, am I the only one who picked up on this and was offended? So playing online Call of Duty is just as embarrassing as walking into a Spencer's gift shop? In general I am really disappointed with their choices and like Philip Kollar it makes me question my future purchase.

brandon sheffield
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You certainly can use "time to hitler" to gauge how well a discussion is going.

Jeremy Glazman
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Considering what a huge release this game is supposed to be for the next-gen consoles it just further proves how the core audience continues to shrink on those platforms. This is kind of surprising to me given how both Sony and MS are pushing hard to try to latch on to Nintendo's expanded gaming audience through the reinvention of their platforms via motion controls.

Luke Rymarz
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Hold on a minute. I've never been in The Service, but doesn't the use of the word "fag" just reinforce the theme of the game? With the "killing civilians" video from last week, it seems they're trying to show a relatively realistic depiction of war. If that's the case, then derogatory terms and swear words should be EXPECTED. That's what war is like.

If you're insulted, affect change where it matters. There's no reason to be angry at the video. It's like seeing a picture from the holocaust and trying to trick yourself into believing it didn't happen.

Meredith Katz
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Luke: No, because it wasn't a character in the game referring to other characters in an in-character manner. It was the designer putting a voice-over, "narrator" gag about "FAGS" being the people to try to convince others that grenade spamming isn't fun.

Meredith Katz
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(Sorry, not voice-over, overlay.)

Brett Williams
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The question you have to ask yourself is if this had been an acronym for other words that you do not consider homosexual, would you still be mad? If the answer is no, then you are looking for a reason to vilify the creator for not being sexually ambiguous.

If it had been a derogatory female word, or something about teenagers would it be okay? If so, then you have no right to claim this is not okay. You have to hold the stance of being judgemental about all terminology whether it be race, sex, age, or sexual orientation, you can' just pick or choose your phrases.

Homosexuality is just one of the things that can have slanderous things said about it, but it's not near the only one in this fast communication internet world of ours.

Certain targets draw the attention of the wolves.

Chris Remo
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Jeffrey,

"Girly" people have not been historically and institutionally discriminated against by law and social conventions. I don't see how you can possibly not see the difference there.

And I don't know if you're just selectively blind on purpose, but there's been an ENORMOUS amount of controversy and discussion over the airport video. But to directly respond to your comment, nobody here is actually murdering people in the airport, whereas lots of people are likely to actually call people "fags" when playing games online. One is a fictional act, the other is unfortunately occurring in reality.

Luke Rymarz
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@Meredith:

Good point. If it was meant to be funny, it's not really the same thing. Still, though, if you're watching war related stuff, you have to expect these sorts of things. I can tell you have some heightened sensitivity to this sort of thing, whereas I'm on the other side and I just don't give a shit. It's hard to tell since this is pretty hot, but I wonder what the general reaction to this video is.

P.S. the clip is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iWeL0DEA9I&feature=player_embedded. It's interesting to me that the didn't actually write "F.A.G.S" anywhere. They just wrote "Fight Against Grenade Spam" and everyone went crazy. It's like Arnold's "fuck you" letter (http://www.sfbg.com/blogs/politics/2009/10/arnold_to_sf_fuck_you.html), except Infinity Ward has validated it by taking the video down.

Justin Kranzl
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Skipping over the argument about whether it's okay to be offended or not, the trailer does undermine one of the stated goals for the game: broadening the audience.

Not in the sense gay gamers will steer clear in huge numbers just because of one silly stunt, but more in the sense that a healthy chunk of people are not inclined to play with the stereotypical randoms spewing offensive language.

Activision and IW may not see eye to eye on many things, but they both are trying to grab a larger audience than the diehards - IW has been quite candid how accessibility is a high priority. This kind of stuff will just serve to deter people who may have been inclined to test the waters.

Liam Devine
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I find it quite ironic that people are complaining about a term that was not used (fag) whilst not complaining about a derogative term that was used - pussy.

Meredith Katz
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Luke: Thanks for the tone of your response -- I appreciate it. I agree, this is definitely a hot-button issue with me, but I'll say that even if I don't like hearing it, if it's in-character I'll easily wave it off -- there are situations where things are world-building, and as a designer I support things that make the world more immersive in both positive and negative ways. When it's really just feeding the fuel to people who are already dicks and giving it designer support (validating the use of that terminology by their *players*, since *they* do it), though, that does bother me.

Thing is, with the Fight Against Grenade Spam, that was obviously not an error and they obviously didn't think their viewers were too stupid to get it, so it amounts to the same thing -- playing off the term. They admitted when criticism first rolled in that it was a deliberate joke -- so they expected people to get it. I don't think it's really any different from just putting the acronym, since the acronym was what they intended people to take away from it.

Sounds like criticism is generally divided between the same three groups you see with any discussion of these human rights/hate speech issues: "It's important to me and people should realize what they're doing is offensive!" (with some insulting of the other side often included, yeah), "I don't really care but wow people care a lot about this", and "You're too sensitive/looking for something to be offended about/I'm feeling judged by you judging me!"

j kelly
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Chris, well said, and Meredith, also well said. Having just watched the video (thanks Luke), I can now see where it is blatantly used. I'm probably beating a dead horse, I can see the "where" you were offended, just not the "why" The COD demographic of online players uses phrases and terms way more offensive then fag. I didn't even think fag was in the lexicon of anyone under 20 these days.

Please give me some clarification. Do you need for this to be a hot topic of controversy? In making it so, what outcome would you like to see happen? More politically correct gaming, or better acceptance of homosexuality? I'm not gay (contrary to popular belief in COD and my proficient use of the grenade launcher), so for me, I say "Funny video", and to a large majority of players, they will probably laugh at the ad without any thought introspection. So I'd just like to know what the gaming community can do to address such concerns. Would an ad campaign by the gay community that said something along the lines of "noob is the new gay" solve the problem? I call others noob all the time, it hits the point home. They lack skill, they suck, they're noobs. I'd like to think, as a gaming community, we could come up with a solution without taking the fun out of what we do.

Luke Rymarz
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@Meredith:

Your statement about immersiveness is well put. This video is definitely outside the bounds of Modern Warfare 2 world (especially with the terrible voice acting).

It's interesting to me that Infinity Ward could have probably avoided a lot of this awkward press if they had just kept their mouths shut when the people started saying "F.A.G.S?!?! What do you mean by that?!"

Meredith Katz
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J Kelly, thank you. A lot. The movement of the understanding to "where" I'm offended is a big deal and I appreciate it.

And ultimately, that's what I'd like to see happen. How? I don't know. I'd prefer that it didn't need to be a hot topic of controversy -- that homophobic dialogue and terminology wasn't so casual and "for the lolz", honestly, but if it is, I'd rather people talk about it, because I'd like to see people just coming to an understanding that it is a hurtful thing, and that it's not just that people (overall) are too sensitive. (Or if they seem sensitive, sometimes it's because that one small tap on the shoulder that they can shrug off is hit over and over every day until it becomes a raging bruise. *g*) I think -- naively, perhaps! I'll admit it, my premise might be far off here -- that the majority of people don't intend to be hurtful or upset others, and that's why "offensive" is used more than hurt, or upset, or anything else, because there are easier defenses against "I'm offending others" than against "I'm hurting others". I think this is why it's easier to say that other people are too sensitive and there's nothing inherently hateful in either the term or using the term, casually or not, in a "funny" way or a deliberately aggressive way or an insulting way. I think (again, possibly naively) very few people WANT to feel like they are engaging in/not stepping out against something they know is hurting specific others. Yeah, there are exceptions, and I don't mean to Pollyanna all over this thread. But I'd like it if people could be introspective when things like this come up -- it's why I tried to bring it personal, here. It's NOT a political goal to me, I'm NOT an interest group -- I'm a person, in the same job and hobby as you are, who's having a part of her identity/lifestyle/etc thrown around thoughtlessly or hurtfully -- for the lolz, for marketting, etc. And... honestly, I think to some extent, stripping away the anonymity of, oh, it's politics, might help drive that home.

I wish that something like an ad campaign could help, but my fear is that it WOULD read as political, taking the fun out of things, rather than trying to change things for a more positive gaming experience. I don't know what ultimately can be done to try to raise introspection. Ultimately, me posting here is probably more of a frustrating experience for myself than any actual situation-changing event. I don't know what to do on a broader level.

But it's also why I'm relieved that you took this and did think about it on that level. Thank you.

Adam Bishop
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@ Jeffrey

There is a very clear difference between "being made fun of", which can be done good-humouredly, and harassment and intimidation. The usage of the term "fag" amongst gamers is almost always the latter. And people do - and should! - have a right to be free from harassment and intimidation.

Also, I'm not really sure that anyone needs to "look" for a reason to be outraged, and I think it's ridiculous that you assume that the people who are offended are all part of a "minority group". The use of the term "fag" is meant as a way to harass, intimidate, and belittle people. Someone I know was viciously assaulted by several strangers a few years ago, and they told him that they were beating him because he "looked like a fag". People are beaten and even murdered for being (or even appearing) gay far too frequently. Look up the story of Matthew Sheppard for one of many sad examples. The usage of the term "fag" and the tone with which it is used are very much a part of those kinds of crime. Those crimes didn't happen in a vaccuum, they happen because of a culture-wide treatment of gay people that includes the frequent abusive use of words like fag and homo. That Infinity Ward has chosen to associate itself with that culture is appalling. No one needs to "look for a reason to be outraged"; the reasons are obvious and readily available.

Buck Hammerstein
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First off, kudos for a mature discussion of the subject. The problem to me with the video and it's "barely" hidden use of a homophobic slur is so very clearly illustrated on IGN's website by the myriad of childish comments supporting the use of the term fag as not hateful and not the same at all to the word "nigger" (please excuse my use of these words to make a point).

Infinity Ward was attempting some form of marketing with this video. Anything made by a company poised to sale 12-14 million copies of a product would not be orchestrated without many head honchos being well informed. It timing is very suspect and it appears to have succeeded within the already internet-savvy gaming world.

In my opinion it was attempting to communicate to its target audience with terms already rampant on XboxLive and PSN. Unfortunately, I think even the teenagers are tired of the hateful way some people "play" and we adults are trained like professionals in the mute-player required steps. In Canada, we have public advertising campaigns explaining how using "gay" to mean something "bad" would be hurtful by replacing the term with someone's name (ie: That movie was so David). I can understand that the David's would disapprove.

When I discussed this with my wife she noted the video used the word "pussies" and wondered why no one was defending her? In a male-centric game industry are we still okay with equating lack of skill with being female? She made the point F.A.G.S was an acronym not displayed but "pussies" was clearly spoken.

In the end, this video was just not very clever in its humour but effective in offending more than one group. Which makes me see it as simply a marketing ploy by a company catering to its core, juvenile consumer in a game climate of aging gamers and games-as-an-artform flagbearers. As gamer I am disappointed how little we have moved forward.

Trent Polack
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Stupid hypocracy, always getting in the way of real words.

Mark Harris
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*gasp!* Is that a veiled attack at Andre's lack of ability to accurately spell a word? Are you subtly calling his intelligence into question?

I'm not sure if I should call you a racist, an educationist (not a real word either), an elitist, or some other -ist word of which I'm ignorant.

Can we still use bigot as the catch all? I get so confused these days.

Trent Polack
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I couldn't think of anything nice to say, so like Mommy always said, just resort to cheap tangential attacks.

That all said, Andre's comment was absurd. He doesn't get offended; fantastic! There are people that would get offended and it's ludicrous to suggest that those people are in the wrong for being so. I'd also love to hear what is hypocritical about the entirety of the gay rights movement.

Mark Harris
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Mommy was too clever by half....

Buck Hammerstein
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Now now, hypocracy is a perfectly cromulent word.

But seriously, the vocal "outrage" that spurred the video's removal was from more than special interest groups. It appears that journalists as well as gamers in general found it offense.

Are we being too sensitive and politically correct about things in the media? In some cases, yes. Are we the better for hearing both sides of the issue? I think so. Are we still going to see people blindly throw grenades hoping for a lucky kill? Yep!

Meredith Katz
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Well, one of the differences is that the etymology for pussy *when in this context* is actually pussycat. It still is used as an insult (soft, endearing, cuddly, etc), but not really in the heavily-gendered way that people often assume...

Buck Hammerstein
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I think she would argue it was implied in the genital word root fashion rather than the feline.

But here lies the problem, personal perception. One person would not be insulted in the least while another would be very hurt. Both people could be from the same classification yet one will see it in jest and another as a form of hate. How do we best serve them both? Is it hypocritical to believe we can?

Meredith Katz
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I don't think it's hypocritical to believe we can. I do think it's okay to argue one and not the other in that people do pick their battles (and saying that you have to argue everything or nothing at all is a type of derailing, honestly), but no -- I do think it's okay to be upset by both. I think it's okay to think that neither are okay and present as such. In fact, I think it's important for people to argue both points -- if by that you mean respecting the fact that these things were said hurtfully. There are forms of jest that don't pick on people for inherent traits. If we're going to use jests that poke 'fun' at people, why don't we make sure -- as designers, creative people -- that they're actually poking fun?

Meredith Katz
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Oh, my derailing link didn't appear: http://www.derailingfordummies.com/

Buck Hammerstein
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Well said Meredith. I would go so far as to say had the video insinuated offense terms but was outrageously funny and taught us to rethink the social implications of such terms we would have been the better. But alas, I am about to enter the Nepalese snow caves in Uncharted2 and I bid one and all a good debate. Cheers.

Luis Guimaraes
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It's an exemple of smart marketing, and I don't mean Infinity Ward's...

Bob Stevens
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Pussy in this case is very much not slang for "pussycat".

Chris OKeefe
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I'm surprised there's an argument over this. Think of it this way; if someone used a racial slur at you that didn't actually apply(your basic N-word despite being caucasion), you would probably not be offended. Not personally. Because you are not African American, so it doesn't apply.

If you are not offended, it might be because you aren't gay, or you aren't straight and interested in the social and legal rights of gay people. If you think it is similar to any other random mockery, then you are probably a part of the problem.

Homosexuals have been a repressed minority in even recent times, with hate crimes resulting in the beatings, humiliation, suicides, and deaths, all on the basis of hateful slurs like 'fag.' The reason you don't think it's insulting is because you have no experience in what it's like to go through your life experiencing this sort of casual hate, and you haven't heard horrible stories about people being beaten, raped, and killed. You haven't heard words like 'fag' being used not as a generic mockery, but as a radically hateful verbal attack, filled with very real malice. The same way racial slurs have been used in the past.

Do the players of games like Modern Warfare use terrible language? Yes. Is fag the worst of it? That would depend on your perspective. For many it is at least on par with racial slurs, for the above reasons.

The first important detail isn't whether or not an individual person finds it offensive. It's that a lot of people do, and for good reasons.

The second important detail is that IW, as a company producing material for public consumption, has a responsibility to society to not endorse, condone, or especially -use- slurs and hateful language. Not 'even though their fans do,' but -especially- because their fans do.

Edward Vertigo
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It's one thing for ignorant kids to throw around derogatory words, but it's entirely another thing when a company run by educated adults start using such hateful words in a funny ad that wasn't even that funny in the first place. The whole thing leaves me feeling very disappointed in everyone involved.

Mickey Mullasan
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Let's just modify our language every 7 days, that way we'll clear out any slang history left behind. I'm sure if every locale changed their respective language in their own way every 7 days eventually it'd be impossible to keep a changelist. Hopefully then we'd only know enough to barely communicate, and yet not enough to insult each other.

Mathew Tellefson
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Three topics are guaranteed to make long threads; religious, racial and sexual preference. I'm a Christian have been called many names that many people would not find offensive but that doesn't mean they aren't to me (and I'm not trying to change topics, just make a point).

English is a living and changing language. If I were to call some of my friends, who are homosexual, fags, they would take offense and in a big way. It's the context that has "grown up" around that word. We've (Americans) made it this way by repeatedly using that word in a negative way. Not only that, people have used that word and followed it up with real actions that have very real consequences. There is a lot of be afraid of when a word like that (in our current day and age) is thrown around in "good humor".

That's why I think it's important that we DO take offense and be vocal. The real point is not that 50% of the population may think it was an off-hand comment not directly made towards a socially minority group but that someone would deliberately use a word like that, which IS used pick on them, at all. It teaches other people that's it OK to make yourself seem better at the expense of another.

I have a child that is not yet ready for school but it's not far away. I promise you that while they will learn what homosexuality is from me and what I think the outcome of it will be, they will never, ever learn to pick themselves up by tearing others down, this includes homosexuals. They will not learn from me that someone who practices homosexuality cannot be a good person who contributes greatly to society. But the chances of them learning that kind of opinion is high. The chances they will use hateful words against someone are probably slightly less.

How do we move forward in crafting a more understanding society? In my opinion we continue to be vocal for any kind of offense, it shouldn't matter if you're the one being hit or not. If it's something used in context in a game, book or movie, well, that's a different discussion.

I wasn't going to buy MW2 for obvious reasons, but even I weren't religious it made me angry enough to only buy this game second hand so they wouldn't get any of my money.

Rocket Man
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Infinity Ward should be renamed to Infinite F***ups.

Meredith Katz
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@Bob: My apologies for making that statement so unclear. Somehow I took away from the two comments about that, that people were upset about both terms being used but people taking one as "worse" than the other. Etymologically, "faggot" comes from a more hateful history than "pussy" when used for a weakling, wimp, softie, etc, since that comes from pussycat ("He's just a big ol' pussycat", and other such things you might see in old detective fiction *g*). So on the word itself, I do think one has more of history a hatred for inherent traits than the other -- I was reading more into the historical context of hate than I should have (probably because of the discussion about how "nerd" was also an insulting term, for example, but didn't have the same history of hate). THAT SAID, the pussycat context is more or less lost and in a modern context it's definitely become very much a "You suck = You girl!!1" thing, and that isn't okay. (I was interrogating the text from the wrong perspective!)

Meredith Katz
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...tl;dr: In other words, when I said "the etymology... in this context" I meant historically the origins of the word are from that, but my "in this context" was extremely confusing.

Victor Boone
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I really don't understand why everything done today has to fit in this neat sterilized little politically correct box. Don't get me wrong, I do get how this could be insulting to some, but I also detect a lot of grand standing. If they used the language the protagonists in games like use in real life, this game would have never been made (soldiers tend to be a rough lot...sort of goes with the job). I'm not homophobic, gay bashing or an anti queer-o-sexual (couldn't resist), I'm a average Joe that believes sometimes the whining over a little humor tends to make me ignore the arguments after a while. In other words if your cry WOLF every time someone hurts your feelings, after a while no one hears you. Why do you think that criers like Rev's Al & Jesse are (not publicly..must remain PC) despised. All this to piss on about an acronym, give me a break. You all can bash me as much as you like, but that's my opinion.

Luis Guimaraes
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I still think the cries are to take advantage of a PR's flaw and make buzz of another subject from it. Now everybody is talking about gay right for a while, and little money has been spent for it. Just well done.

Joel Bennett
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Let me see - we've got someone using some so-called derogatory words in a game who's subject is about killing people. Sounds pretty lame to me. Wasn't there a similar outcry at the movie Tropical Storm using the word 'retard'? How many people are still complaining about that? Really, there's nothing to see here. Move along folks.

What I find interesting is the fact that no one else so much has batted an eye about him dropping the f-bomb.

josh josh
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if you can take it in the a**
you should be able to take a damn joke.


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