This is unprecedented.

If second week MW2 sales were down 86% from the firat week sales, and the first week sales of MW2 were 1.78 million, that gives us MW2 second week sales of approx 250,000 units.
So we have:
UK MW2 sales:
Week 1 : 1.78 million
Week 2 : .25 million
Total UK sales in just 2 weeks: 2.03 million

On another note, Nintendo's much vaunted NSMB(Wii), couldn't even outsell Aassasin's Creed II on the 360 in it's opening week, let alone MW2(360) in it's second week.
Even after an 84% fall in sales in it's 2nd week, MW2 still smoked NSMB(Wii) with plenty of room to spare.
If second week splits are the same as the first week(57% 360, 40% PS3), we have this week's sales charts:
01 (01) 360 Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 : 142,044
02 (__) 360 Assassin's Creed Ii (Ubisoft) :
03 (02) PS3 Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 : 99,680
04 (__) WII New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo)
05 (__) PS3 Assassin's Creed Ii (Ubisoft)
www.chart-track.co.uk/index.js...t/index_test.jsp&ct=110032

In effect, NSMB sold less than 100,000 units, as compared to a stunning 2.03 million units sold for MW2. That leaves NSMB(Wii) with a massive mountain of 1.9 million sales to climb, before it can even dream of catching MW2, even if MW2 doesn't sell even one more copy ever again.
So much for Jesse Divnich's prediction of NSMB outselling MW2 on all platforms lifetime worldwide.
Not gonna happen ...ever.

@ Kevin

You forgot something, MW2 won't sell more then 100k copies in Japan, but NSMB Wii has the chance to be a million seller there.

Nintendo games have incredibly long legs. New Super Mario Bros. will sell several million copies each year for like the next 3 years.

@ Kevin: NSMBW is likely going to become a steady seller, pretty much like most Mario games. While MW2 sales fell over 80% in 2 weeks, I would not believe it will happen to Mario. It is more likely that it will increase in the following weeks, with Christmas approaching.

Also @ Kevin

New Super Mario Bros Wii and Assassins Creed 2 were both released on the 20th (only 2 days at market) while COD:MW had the whole week to sell.

@ Christian :
"You forgot something, MW2 won't sell more then 100k copies in Japan, but NSMB Wii has the chance to be a million seller there. "

Nope, I didn't forget Japan.
Even if NSMB(Wii) sells 1 million in Japan, and MW2 PS3/360 sold zero, that would still leave NSMB(Wii), with another million to go, before it catches up with MW2 sales in the UK alone.
I haven't even talked about the biggest video game market on the planet, the US, where MW2 sales will blow NSMB(Wii) sales out of the water in Nov/Dec and continue to destroy NSMB(Wii) sales throughout next year.
Not to mention MW2 sales on the PS3 and 360 in Japn are going to far exceed that 100,000 you mentioned.
For comparison, GTA IV on the PS3 alone has already sold 211, 240{http://www.japan-gamecharts.com/ps3.php}.
Add in another 59,893 GTA IV sales on the 360{http://www.japan-gamecharts.com/360.php} and you have 270,000 GTA IV sales in Japan. MW2 is going to sell at least 300,000 in Japan, if it sells at the same comparison rates as MW2/GTA IV ratio has done in other countries.

@ John :
"New Super Mario Bros Wii and Assassins Creed 2 were both released on the 20th (only 2 days at market) while COD:MW had the whole week to sell. "

It doesn't make a whit of difference even if MW2 had one day of sales, and NSMB had 10 days of sales. The results would still be the same: A total annihilation by the MW2 tsunami.
You seem to forget that MW2 sold a massive 1.28 million in the UK in JUST ONE DAY alone, when it was launched on Nov 10.
NSMB(Wii) was launcherd last Friday, giving it 2 days of sales, yet it couldn't even sell ONE TENTH of what MW2 sold on day one alone.

@ Kevin

Well obviously it sold a lot on the first day (so did that awful New Moon movie). But those kind of sales can't be sustained for a long period of time (hence sales dropped 86 percent this week). Mario has a better chance sustaining sales, which is why everyone thinks it will, eventually, outsell MW2.

Anyways, I think next week (being black Friday week) will be a better picture of sales as all games will have a full week on market (and Black Friday will drive up sales across the board anyways).

@ Fábio Bernardon :
"NSMBW is likely going to become a steady seller, pretty much like most Mario games. "

So will MW2.
COD 4 has been in the UK charts all year this year, even 2 years after launch. MW2 will have insane legs. MW2 will still be in the UK charts by this time next year.

"While MW2 sales fell over 80% in 2 weeks, I would not believe it will happen to Mario. "

That's because if you are already close to the ground, you don't have far to fall. A game that sells less than 100,000 in week 1(NSMB Wii), is of course going to fall less than a game that sold 1.8 million in week 1 alone(MW2).

"It is more likely that it will increase in the following weeks, with Christmas approaching."

All games will increase sales as Christmas approaches, especially MW2.

@ John:
" Mario has a better chance sustaining sales, "


It doesn't.
COD 4 has had very long legs in the UK charts right through this year.

"which is why everyone thinks it will, eventually, outsell MW2."

It won't.
There is close to zero chance of NSMB(Wii) ever outseling MW2 lifetime sales.
MW2 stands every chance of being the biggest selling game this generation.
If lifetime MW2 sales are even just 3 times as much as week 1 MW2 sales(approx 8 million units sold), that is going to give us MW2 lifetime sales of 24 million. That would beat any other game this generation.

@Kevin

You are very passionate about MW2, but it is close to impossible, that MW2 sales will increase as Christmas approaches, cause the vast majority of the copies this game will sell in its lifetime are already sold.
I don't see MW2 playing in the same league as GTA IV in Japan, I think it will sell more in the like of MW1 and this game hadn't 300k copies in japan. Additionally by saing NSMB Wii can be a milliion seller in Japan I meant, that it can sell more the a million copies.
MW2 is very successul, no doubt, but I wouldn't take 2 days on sale in UK for NSMB Wii as an indicator for lifetime worldwide sales of the game.
By the way, your whole talk about MW2 blowing Mario out of the water and destroying it's sales the whole year and the total annihilation by the MW2 tsunami more sounds like the talk of an 15 year old fanboy to me, then anything else.

@ Christian :
"You are very passionate about MW2,"

Nope.
You guys are not being realistic about NSMB(Wii) sales, and refuse to face cold, hard reality.
You have wild, unrealistic expectations for that game, which are not supprted by facts, and which will never caome to pass.

" but it is close to impossible, that MW2 sales will increase as Christmas approaches,"

Of course MW2 sales will increase as Christmas approcahes. Practically every game is released in November, experiences increased sales in December from:
a. The hardware install base that have yet to buy the game (360 has an install base of over 4 million in the UK. Only 1 million have bought MW2 so far, leaving another 3 million 360 owners to sell the game to)
b. From much higher hardware sales in December, which produces new console owners who then buy games like MW2.

" cause the vast majority of the copies this game will sell in its lifetime are already sold."

That is such a ridiculous statement, i just gotta laugh at that.
Why don't we take a look at COD sales in the US for the fiirst few months eh?

November 2007
1. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 1.57 million
7. PS3 Call of Duty 4 - 444,000

December 2007
1. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 1.47 million
11. PS3 Call of Duty 4

January 2008
1. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 330,900

February 2008
1. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 296,200

March 2008
9. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 237,000

April 2008
10. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 141,000

May 2008
11. 360 Call of Duty 4

August 2008
19. 360 Call of Duty 4

You will notice that COD4 sold only 1.57 million units at launch in November 2007.(That is a ONE MONTH sales, not a one week sales).
But then, in the next 5 months(Dec, Jan, Feb, March and April), COD4 sold another 2.5 million units, which is far more than it sold in it first month.
Your statement is not supported by the facts.
Even after that, COD4 continued to chart.

@ Christian

:"I don't see MW2 playing in the same league as GTA IV in Japan, I think it will sell more in the like of MW1 and this game hadn't 300k copies in japan."

You wish.
So far, MW2 has vastly outsold launch sales of MW1(aka COD 4), and GTA IV in every single country, why on earth would be any different in Japan?
In the UK(where GTA IV was made), no one even expected MW2 to outsell GTA IV's first week sales, let alone sell TWICE as much as GTA IV sold in its first week, yet that is exactly what MW2 proceeded to do.
It blew GTA IV's records out of the water by twice.
Another thing, MW2 sold more in just one week, than COD WaW has sold in over a year.
MW2 will likely outsell GTA IV in Japan, and it will far outsell MW1(COD4) in Japan.

"MW2 is very successul, no doubt, but I wouldn't take 2 days on sale in UK for NSMB Wii as an indicator for lifetime worldwide sales of the game"

The UK and US markets are usualy very much in sync for most games. Expect MW2 to destroy NSMB(Wii) in December NPD. Given that the US market is by far the biggest on the planet, add the two markets together(US and UK), and its an unbeatable combination of sales for MW2.


"By the way, your whole talk about MW2 blowing Mario out of the water and destroying it's sales the whole year and the total annihilation by the MW2 tsunami more sounds like the talk of an 15 year old fanboy to me, then anything else. "

Naaaah.
It's you fanatical Nuntendo fanbloys, who usually ways refuse to face reality, put your heads in the sand, and try and prove that 1+1 is somehow equal to 100, despite all evidence to the contrary.
Time for you to wake up and smell the coffee.

It is not a question of Nintendoism to say, that NSMB DS sold nearly 20 million copies.
Jesse Divnich based his prediction on the fact, the he thinks, NSMB will sell for a much longer period of time then MW2. This seems pretty logical, as you can see MW1 isn't a big seller nowadays, in 24 month MW3 will be released. If Nintendo doesn't change it's publishing strategy in a unprecedented way at this time NSMB Wii will still be there, with no NSMB Wii 2 in sight. And the chances are good it will still sell in big numbers, games like Mario Kart Wii and Super Smash Bros. Wii showed a longer shelf life then the usual Activision AAA title.

Your numbers for MW1 are misleading, MW1 wasn't expected to be such a hit, it sold extremly well when it was released, but not nearly as good as MW2. As you state yourself MW2 was sold to a quarter of all XBox360 owners in the UK, if you look at the really successful games, they usually didn't get beyond this number. How much Halo3 has MS sold in it's first month and how much in the months after that, how much GTA IV were sold in the release month and how much after that. All this heavy hyped games sell the majority of their copies during the first month. Why should it be different with MW2.

And by the way, in my reality Nintendo is the only console manufacturer that is actually making money, so I don't see why anybody arguing in favor of Nintendo's strategy is putting it's head in the sand and trying to prove 1+1 equals 100. This company sold more copies of their games in the last 5 years, then Activision did in it's whole lifetime.

@ Christian:"
"It is not a question of Nintendoism to say, that NSMB DS sold nearly 20 million copies"

I said it before, and I will say it again, the DS has an instal base of 113 million, while the Wii has an install base of just 56 million(less than half that of the DS). Plus games don't neccesarily sell the same on handhelds as they sell on consoles.
You can't just take what a game sold on the DS and assume that it will sell the same units on a home console that has only half the install base of the handeld.
MH3 on the Wii for example, has sold less than half what MH2P sold on the PSP(today the "best" version of the PSP game is outselling MH3(Wii)), even though MH3(Wii) was a brand new very good game, while MH2P(PSP), was a port of a year old PS2 game.

"Jesse Divnich based his prediction on the fact, the he thinks, NSMB will sell for a much longer period of time then MW2"

Again, COD4 has been in the UK/PAL charts all year this year, even 2 years after launch. It had very long legs. MW2 will have every bit as much legs as COD4 did, because the PS3/360 install base today is much bigger than it was back in 2007 when COD 4 wasd launched, so there are more gamers to buy the game.

"If Nintendo doesn't change it's publishing strategy in a unprecedented way at this time NSMB Wii will still be there, with no NSMB Wii 2 in sight"

Not gonna make much difference.
Mario Galaxy has not had a Mario Galaxy 2 sequel either, and yet it's been out of the charts in every country for over a year.
The point you are missing here is, COD4 had very long legs, and MW2 will have at least the same long legs. So with MW2 ahead of NSMB(Wii) by 2 million already, the only way NSMB(wii) even gets close to MW2, is for Mw2 sales to stop. They won't stop. MW2 is gonna just keep on selling. In the UK and the US, MW2 will outsell NSMB(Wii) every single week/month for the rest of this year. By the end of the year, the gap between MW2 and NSMB(Wii) will be as big as from here to Mars.

@ Christian:"games like Mario Kart Wii and Super Smash Bros. Wii showed a longer shelf life then the usual Activision AAA title."

COD4 had much longer legs than Smash Bros. (Wii) in the UK/PAL region.
COD had as much legs as Wii Fit in the PAL region, if not longer legs(COD was luanched 5 months before Wii Fit, and was still in the charts till late this year. mah Bros. never lasted in the Uk charts).
Mith MW2 starting out of the gate with a masive 2 million units advantage over NSMB(Wii), and having very long legs as well, there is close to zero probability of NSMB(Wii) ever even getting close to MW2 sales.


"Your numbers for MW1 are misleading, MW1 wasn't expected to be such a hit, it sold extremly well when it was released, but not nearly as good as MW2."

Yes, but then both the 360 and PS3 have over twice the install base today, as they did when MW1 was launched, so it follows that:
a). Initial sales will be much higher.
b). There will be even more console owners left after the initial sales, to keep sales going for a very long time.

"As you state yourself MW2 was sold to a quarter of all XBox360 owners in the UK, if you look at the really successful games, they usually didn't get beyond this number. "

The really top games do.

"How much Halo3 has MS sold in it's first month and how much in the months after that,"

Halo 3 sold 3.3 million units in it's first month in the US(September 2007), and sold at least another 1.5 million in the next 3 months(Oct, Nov), making a total of 4.8 million in 4 months.
What you need to remember though is, the XBOX 360 only had a US install base of only around 7 million at the time of the Halo 3 launch, that means's that we had around 70% of 360 owners buy Halo 3 by 4 months, so your "games usually didn't get beyond one quarter install base" is not correct.

". All this heavy hyped games sell the majority of their copies during the first month. Why should it be different with MW2."

In have explained that over and over again in my previous post, but you still can't see it.

# 1. COD4 (akaMW1), had insane legs in the UK/PAL charts. It was in the charts all year this year, even 2 years after launch.
# 2. In the US, COD4 sold much more after the first month, than it did in the first month.
I'll repost my earlier post:

COD 4 sales from 2007 NPD
November 2007
1. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 1.57 million
7. PS3 Call of Duty 4 - 444,000

December 2007
1. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 1.47 million
11. PS3 Call of Duty 4

January 2008
1. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 330,900

February 2008
1. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 296,200

March 2008
9. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 237,000

April 2008
10. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 141,000

May 2008
11. 360 Call of Duty 4

August 2008
19. 360 Call of Duty 4

You will notice that COD4 sold only 1.57 million units at launch in November 2007.(That is a ONE MONTH sales, not a one week sales).
But then, in the next 5 months(Dec, Jan, Feb, March and April), COD4 sold another 2.5 million units, which is far more than it sold in it first month.
This is why MW2 will have very long legs.

@ Christian :
"And by the way, in my reality Nintendo is the only console manufacturer that is actually making money, "

Nonsense.
The XBOX 360 business made a profit of $312 million in the last quarter alone, which is pretty close to what Nintendo made on the Wii in the last quarter.
http://www.microsoft.com/msft/earnings/fy10/earn_rel_q1_10.mspx

I don't know what PAL charts are, the only european charts, where you get specific sales numbers from on a regular basis are the UK charts, so I honestly don't know how MW1 performed outside the UK.

And by the way, I just checked the UK charts here on gamasutry for the year 2008 and 2009, MW1 dropped out of the Top10 in February 2008 and from what I saw, it never managed to get back into the UK Top10.
I really don't know why you keep saying "Again, COD4 has been in the UK/PAL charts all year this year, even 2 years after launch." This simply isn't true.

Of course the DS now has an install base of 113 million units and the Wii has an install base of 56 million units. But NSMB DS was released in early 2006, at this point the DS didn't had an install base much different from the Wii install base today. So the Jesse Divinich based his prediction on the assumption that the Wii will continue to sell well in the next 3 years.

"Again, COD4 has been in the UK/PAL charts all year this year, even 2 years after launch. It had very long legs. MW2 will have every bit as much legs as COD4 did, because the PS3/360 install base today is much bigger than it was back in 2007 when COD 4 wasd launched, so there are more gamers to buy the game."

I really don't see why a bigger install base should be responsible for the longevity of a title. The launch of MW2 was escorted by a massive marketing campaign, that was very successful. Almost everybody that wanted the game bought it in the launch days. It is clear, MW2 is not a console seller, the title is marketed to a specific type of AAA blockbuster gamer, these people, as far as market surveillance can be trusted, already own a HD console, that's why Sony and MS are going for the more casual customers now. So it seems unlikely to me, that MW2 will be the big holiday season hit.

"The XBOX 360 business made a profit of $312 million in the last quarter alone, which is pretty close to what Nintendo made on the Wii in the last quarter."

The whole entertainment division generated a profit of $312 million. I don't see, why you compare this to the profits Nintendo is making with the Wii alone. Besides this, from where do you get the numbers, Nintendo made with the Wii alone? I never read, that Nintendo published seperate profit numbers for their platforms. Do you have any type of source for this?

@ Christian Keichel:
"I don't know what PAL charts are, the only european charts, where you get specific sales numbers from on a regular basis are the UK charts, so I honestly don't know how MW1 performed outside the UK."

You don't really know much do you?
Yet you come out here and argue about suff you don't know much about?
PAL charts = Games charts from the UK, Ireland, Denmark, Netherlands, France, Spain, Italy, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Germany, Australia, New Zealand etc.
Funny enough, games charts come out every week for these countries. The fact that you don't see 'em here, doesn't mean they don't exist.


"And by the way, I just checked the UK charts here on gamasutry for the year 2008 and 2009, MW1 dropped out of the Top10 in February 2008 and from what I saw, it never managed to get back into the UK Top10."

Ummm..the UK charts are released every single week for the TOP 40 selling games for BOTH all formats, and for individual formats right here:
http://www.chart-track.co.uk/
I suggest you go through their sales archives for this year.


" really don't know why you keep saying "Again, COD4 has been in the UK/PAL charts all year this year, even 2 years after launch." This simply isn't true"

Of course it's true.
Go here and check the charttrack archives from January this year will ya?
Go do your your homework, than you can come back and talk.

@ Christian Keichel:
:
"The whole entertainment division generated a profit of $312 million. I don't see, why you compare this to the profits Nintendo is making with the Wii alone"

Ummm..Nintendo's profits are from BOTH the DS and the Wii. In Japan, and even here in the US, the DS sells a a heck of a lot more units per month than the Wii does, and in Japan, the DS sells vastly more games than the Wii does.
Plus, Microsft Entertainment makes by far most of it's money from the XBOX 360. The sales of the Zune are laughably tiny.
Plus you first of all claimed that it's only Nintnendo that is making profits amongst the 3 console makers right now. That was a big LIE.

@Christian: stop arguing with him. He is completely anti-Nintendo. No one is right at this point. Patcher analysis is fine and most people can see what he is talking about. Kevin is looking at the first 2 weeks of a game, that will mean nothing in the long run. He may be right, or maybe Patcher will be right. Or even both games will end up with similar sales. Only time will tell.

The only thing that is sure is: Mario Kart sold almost 20 million units. I don't know (and do not want to research) how much MW sold, but I would be that it was significantly less than that. And it is what everyone is saying: NSMBW has the POTENTIAL to sell better than MW. Not that MW2 is not a good game, it just do not have the universal appeal that NSMBW has.

@ Christian Keichel:

"Of course the DS now has an install base of 113 million units and the Wii has an install base of 56 million units. But NSMB DS was released in early 2006, at this point the DS didn't had an install base much different from the Wii install base today. So the Jesse Divinich based his prediction on the assumption that the Wii will continue to sell well in the next 3 years"

# 1. Wii sales in the next 3 years will be vastly lower than Wii sales in the last 3 years. Look at Wii sales in the last few months in the US, where Wii sales year on year are down anywherevfrom 30 to 55% as compared to last year.
# 2. The trouble with your particular thinking is, the PS3 and 360 combined, have a total install base of 61 million right now (as compared to 56 milion for the wii), and since the PS3 price cut, the PS3 and 360 combined, are increasang sales faster than the Wii every month, worldwide(for example, the PS3 has outsold the Wii every single week in Japan since the PS3 price cut way back in September).
So if MW2 has already vastly outsold NSMB(Wii) in November, and MW2 is going to vastly outsell NSMB(Wii) in December as well, and the 360/PS3 combined are increasing install base faster than the Wii, and COD4(aka MW1) had very long legs, exactly how do you propose NSMB(Wii) is going to make up the huge sales gap with MW2?

"I really don't see why a bigger install base should be responsible for the longevity of a title"

Of course install base has lots to do with the legs of a game.
Lets take Halo 3. It sold 3.3 million in the US in the first month alone. Trouble is, Halo 3 only had 7 million install base in thew US in September 2007 when halo 3 was launched. That means the game had already sold to 47% of the 360 install base in just one month. Then it sold an other 1.5 million in the next 3 months. So it means the game is not able to get long legs because within 4 monhs after launch, up to 60% of 360 owners in the US had already boughtbthe Halo . Who you gonna sell the game to after that? Not even the top selling games go higher than 60%.

" It is clear, MW2 is not a console seller"

Yeah?
Funny. 360 console sales rocketed up in the UK in the week that MW2 was launched. Sounds like the game sold plenty of consoles to me.

"So it seems unlikely to me, that MW2 will be the big holiday season hit."

MW2 is ALREADY the biggest selling game this year, even after just 2 weeks of sales. And it's going to be the #1 selling game for both November and December in both the US and the UK(just like COD was in 2007). That makes it the top selling game this holiday season.

You honestly don't seem to know what you are talking about right now, where do you get specific sales numbers for the games released in germany from? The german charts are published by media control, I don't have access to media control charts with specific sales numbers,
I doubt you have these numbers for "Ireland, Denmark, Netherlands, France, Spain, Italy, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Germany, Australia, New Zealand". It isn't of much interest to know that a game was the 20th best selling game, the position of MW1 12 months after it's release in the UK, if you don't have any numbers of units sold.

Go here and check the charttrack archives from January this year will ya?
Go do your your homework, than you can come back and talk.

I checked them, MW1 didn't was in the Top10, it ranked in the later Top20, but again, this isn't very interesting, what is interesting is, that the game sold 13 million copies according to Infinity Ward, that's an impressive number and I'm sure MW2 will beat this, but this won't take long and it won't last long, at the end of the year, the game will have sold 10 million copies (MW1 hat 7 million at that time) and by the end of 2009, it will have sold another 5 million copies, that's impressive, but then the game is dead.

"Ummm..Nintendo's profits are from BOTH the DS and the Wii. In Japan, and even here in the US, the DS sells a a heck of a lot more units per month than the Wii does, and in Japan, the DS sells vastly more games than the Wii does."

Nintendo's operating profit in the last quarter was $709 million, I don't know from where you get your numbers, but they seem to be wrong. Just look here:
http://www.reuters.com/article/companyNews/idUKTRE59S1IO20091029

The profit a company is making isn't measured in quarterly earnings either, usually, only full year profits are of interest and last year MS made a very small full year profit with his whole entertainment division, but this year they dropped the price for the XBox360 and sold fewer consoles then last year, so my prediction is, they will experience a full year loss.

" He is completely anti-Nintendo"

You can come up withh lucid counterpoints, or you can make inane, meaningless statements like that one, and not be taken serioulsy.

"Kevin is looking at the first 2 weeks of a game, that will mean nothing in the long run. "

You have not been paying attention.
I have been looking at COD4 NPD sales in Nov,Dec(2007), Jan, Feb, March, April, May (2007).
I am looking at COD 4 being in PAL charts for most of this yaear, a full 2 years after launch.
I am looking at MW2 outselling NSMB by a massive close to 2 million in just 2 weeks in thye UK alone. I haven't even addded the rest of the PAL region or US sales.

"The only thing that is sure is: Mario Kart sold almost 20 million units."

Over close to years.

" I don't know (and do not want to research) how much MW sold, but I would be that it was significantly less than that"

MW2 sold approx 8 million units in it's first week alone. That is a full one third of Mario Kart sales that it took nearly 2 years to get.

"# 1. Wii sales in the next 3 years will be vastly lower than Wii sales in the last 3 years. Look at Wii sales in the last few months in the US, where Wii sales year on year are down anywherevfrom 30 to 55% as compared to last year.
# 2. The trouble with your particular thinking is, the PS3 and 360 combined, have a total install base of 61 million right now (as compared to 56 milion for the wii), and since the PS3 price cut, the PS3 and 360 combined, are increasang sales faster than the Wii every month, worldwide(for example, the PS3 has"

Sure in Japan the PS3 is outselling the Wii, but right now the console sales in Japan are on an unprecedented low, japanese hardware sales are only 20% of US hardware sales, while in the last generation, in Japan almost as much consoles were sold as in the US. And if you check the numbers, the PS3 didn't manage to catch up to the Wii sales this year. Maybe they will have sold a couple of thouand units more at the end of the year, but at this rate, it would take them 10 years to catch up to the Wii.
In the US, the Wii outsold the PS3 last month, so the situation is different. The sales here are down, but the sales for the whole industry are down, MS didn't sell as much consoles as they sold last year and Sony is struggling too.

Again you are making assumptions I don't know from where they come, you say
"360 console sales rocketed up in the UK in the week that MW2 was launched. Sounds like the game sold plenty of consoles to me."
Any sources for this?

"
MW2 is ALREADY the biggest selling game this year, even after just 2 weeks of sales. And it's going to be the #1 selling game for both November and December in both the US and the UK(just like COD was in 2007). That makes it the top selling game this holiday season."

MW1 only had the Top Spot in the UK Charts in two weeks (November 10th, December 22nd), in every other week till the end of 2007 other games were at number one. Maybe it is you who should do his homework first.

@ Christian Keichel:

"You honestly don't seem to know what you are talking about right now"

And you do?
Heck you never even knew there were any weekly German sales charts at all.
You are as clueless as a plank of wood, and about as smart.

"where do you get specific sales numbers for the games released in germany from?"

Ummm.. nobody's talking about specific games sales figures for Germany in this thread.
I am talking about COD 4 being in the PAL sales charts for most of this year, proving that COD4 had very long legs, and means MW2 will have long legs too.
Get it?

@Christian Keichel:

"Sure in Japan the PS3 is outselling the Wii, but right now the console sales in Japan are on an unprecedented low, "

You really don't have a clue do you?
Japan console sales Year to Date, 2009(as compared to 2008):

Wii: -47.8%
PS3: +54.3%
X360: +35.0%

Both the PS3 and the 360 are having by far their best year this year. It's the Wii, who's sales are down by a massive 47% in Japan.

@ Kevin

I agree with you. MW2 will outsell everything including Wii Sports.

@Christian Keichel:

"japanese hardware sales are only 20% of US hardware sales"

Let's look at PS3 sales in Japan versus the US versus the Wii, since the PS3 price cut at the start of September shall we?

Media Create sales, Japan:
August 31 - September 6, 2009
PS3 - 151,783
Wii - 21,557

September 7 - 13, 2009
PS3 - 55,344
Wii - 17,568

September 14 - 20, 2009
PS3 - 51,055
Wii - 16,698

September 21 - 27, 2009
PS3 - 39,960
Wii - 11,731

Totals for September:
PS3: 298,142
Wii : 67,554
The PS3 outsold the Wii by a massive 230,588 in Japan in September.
When we compare PS3 September Japan sales to PS3 September US sales, we have:
September PS3 sales:
Japan : 298,142
US : 491,800

Japan PS3 September sales were over 60% of P3 US sales, not 20%.


Even after the Wii Japan price cut in the first week of October, the PS3 continued to smoke the Wii in weekly sales:

September 28 - October 4, 2009
PS3 - 37,538
Wii - 35,392

October 5 - 11, 2009
PS3 - 30,896
Wii - 30,741

October 12 - 18, 2009
PS3 - 30,231
Wii - 29,965

October 19 - 25, 2009
PS3 - 29,977
Wii - 25,917

October 26 - November 1, 2009
PS3 - 36,061
Wii - 28,888

In Novermber, the PS3 merely extended its weekly lead over the Wii:


November 2 - 8, 2009
PS3 - 48,925
Wii - 31,810


November 9 - 15, 2009
PS3 - 38,498
Wii - 26,764

"MW1 only had the Top Spot in the UK Charts in two weeks (November 10th, December 22nd), in every other week till the end of 2007 other games were at number one"

CD4(aka MW1) was the # 1 selling game in the US in from Nov 2007 to February 2008:
NPD COD 4 sales from 2007
November 2007
1. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 1.57 million
7. PS3 Call of Duty 4 - 444,000

December 2007
1. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 1.47 million
11. PS3 Call of Duty 4

January 2008
1. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 330,900

February 2008
1. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 296,200

COD4 outsold Mario Galaxy 2(Wii) by 500,000 in Nov/Dec.

While the sales figures are interesting I'm surprised no one has brought up how badly IW neglected the PC market on this release.....

@ Kevin
I give up, it seems impossible to discuss with you, when I say "japanese hardware sales are only 20% of US hardware sales" I don't talk only about PS3 sales, otherwise I would have said "japanese PS3 sales are only 20% of US PS3 sales" which I didn't.
You inability to read my posts is a general problem, from the first post on, I said, that I am only talking about charts with specific sales figures, everything else isn't usable, if you want to see how a title performs. This should be clear. If title A is at the number one Spot in month 1 and title B is at number 1 in month 2, it is impossible to say which game sold more copies, unless you have specific numbers.
You always argued like you have individual sales figures for the charts, you call PAL charts, it comes out you haven't.
I find it also interesting how you always ignore, that I prove one after another of your arguments as false. You insisted, that MW1 was a long time number 1 in UK, that wasn't me. I prove you wrong, you ignore this.
You tell me, Nintendo made around $300 million profit in the last quarter with the Wii, I ask you from where you get profit figures for platform sales, you say these numbers include DS and Wii, I prove you, that the profit of Nintendo in this quarter was $700 million and that there aren't individual profit figures.
You say "360 console sales rocketed up in the UK in the week that MW2 was launched. Sounds like the game sold plenty of consoles to me." I ask you for sources, you can't bring any.

Re-reading your posts, I can only shake my head, you really said:
"COD had as much legs as Wii Fit in the PAL region, if not longer legs(COD was luanched 5 months before Wii Fit, and was still in the charts till late this year. mah Bros. never lasted in the Uk charts)."
Wii Fit sold 22 million copies, thats almost twice as much as MW1 sold.
And you can't be serious if you say the XBox360 is seeing it's best year in Japan, in octobre the XBox360 sales were around 350k for the whole year, this is a Plus, no question, but it's lightyears away from being something, that is relevant in terms of market share.

But then again, it doesn't really make sense to discuss with a fanboy. I

@ @Christian Keichel:
I give up"

You shlould have done that long ago, instead lof wasting everyone's time paratting out Nintendo talking points, which don't gel with the reality on the ground right now.

"otherwise I would have said "japanese PS3 sales are only 20% of US PS3 sales" which I didn't."

This is what you are missing: While Wii sales in Japan are massively DOWn this year, both PS3 and 360 sales are massively UP this year. Relatively speaking, PS3 sales in Japan since the PS3 price cut, have been way above 20% of US P3 sales.
I'll merely re-post my figures from above:
Japan console sales Year to Date, 2009(as compared to 2008):

Wii: -47.8%
PS3: +54.3%
X360: +35.0%

This year is the best year by far for the PS3 in Japan since the PS3 was launched. Same with the 360.
Meanwhile, this is by far the worst year ever for the Wii.
In addition, the PS3 sold over 60% as much in Japan, as it did in the US for September. Again, I'll re-post from my post above:

Totals for September:
PS3: 298,142
Wii : 67,554
The PS3 outsold the Wii by a massive 230,588 in Japan in September.
When we compare PS3 September Japan sales to PS3 September US sales, we have:
September PS3 sales:
Japan : 298,142
US : 491,800

"If title A is at the number one Spot in month 1 and title B is at number 1 in month 2, it is impossible to say which game sold more copies, unless you have specific numbers"

You are as confused annd clueless as ever.
We are talking about 2 seperate things here:
# 1. We ALREADY have the UK sales figures for MW2. MW2 has sold 2.03 million copies in just 2 weeks, which blows every games sales speed record in the UK out of the water, with plenty of room to spare.
# 2. We werwe also talking about COD4 having LONG LEGS and being in the PAL charts most of this year, a full 2 years after launch.
Long legs have little to do with actual sales figures.
Long legs have to do with how long a game is able to stay in the charts for, irrespective of how many units it is selling every week. if a game is selling even just 2,000 units per week, and it sells that every week, that makes it nearly 800,000 for the year. Get it?

"You insisted, that MW1 was a long time number 1 in UK, that wasn't me"

Nope.
I pointed that COD4 was in the UK/PAL charts for most of this year, a full 2 years after the game was luanched in 2007.
I also pointed out that COD4, was the top selling game for Christmas 2007 in the US, and easily outsold Nintendo's Wii game, Super Mario Galaxy with plenty of room to spare..and that was just on the 360 alone. again, i will post the NPD Nov/Dec sales figures for COD4 here..for the THIRd time, since you still refuse to see it"

NPD COD 4 sales from 2007
November 2007
1. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 1.57 million
7. PS3 Call of Duty 4 - 444,000

December 2007
1. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 1.47 million
11. PS3 Call of Duty 4

January 2008
1. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 330,900

February 2008
1. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 296,200

COD4 outsold Mario Galaxy 2(Wii) by a massive 500,000 in Nov/Dec 2007.
COD4(aka MW1) on the 360 alone, was the # 1 selling NPD game in the US for FOUR STRAIGHT MONTHS!
It easily blew Mario Galaxy out of the water.
Combine COD4 on the 360 and PS3 and COD4 was by far the best selling game for Christmas 2007, and Jan/Feb 2008. It wasn't even close!

@ Christian Keichel:

"You tell me, Nintendo made around $300 million profit in the last quarter with the Wii, I ask you from where you get profit figures for platform sales, you say these numbers include DS and Wii, I prove you, that the profit of Nintendo in this quarter was $700 million and that there aren't individual profit figures. "

Read up.
Lets just recap shall we?
# 1. You first of all cliamed that Nintendo was the only console company making a profit. So I bring up Microsoft's financial report, which shows that Microsoft's XBOX business made a very solid profit of $312 million in the last quarter.
# 2. Seeing that your lie had been exposed, you quickly turned round and tried to claim that Microsoft's Enterntianment Divison profits don't mean the XBOX is making a profit, so I point out that the XBOX business is by far the biggest business in Microsoft entertaiment Division, with Zune sales being so tiny, that they couldn't possibly account for $312 million profits. Heck total Zune sales don't even come to $100 million per quarter, let alone make a profit of $100 million, let alone make a profits of $312 million.
{In 3 years on the market, the Zune has only managed to sell a measely 3 million units. That makes it 1 million Zune sales a year, and 250,000 Zune sales per quarter, which would account for just $63 million in sales. Given that Zune HD was launched in the September quarter, their launch costs probably put the Zune buusiness deep into the red, so the 360 probably made more profits, while the E & D business ended up with only $312 in profits because of losses from the Zune}.
So most of those $312 million in E & D profits, come fromm the XBOX 360 business.

"I ask you from where you get profit figures for platform sales, you say these numbers include DS and Wii, I prove you, that the profit of Nintendo in this quarter was $700 million and that there aren't individual profit figures."

Sure Nintendo doesn't break down profits between the Wii and the DS, and they only claim to have made $700 million in profits in the last quarter. But then we can look at DS/Wii console/games split, and estimate what part of Nintendo's profits is coming from the DS and what part is coming from mthe Wii.
# 1. BY FAR, the best selling gaming system in Japan is the DS, with the DS and DS games VASTLY outselling Wii/Wii games in the weekly Japanese charts.
# 2. The launch of the DSi game a massive boost in sales to the DS in Japan.
# 3. The DS by far outsells the Wii in both Europe and the US.
# 4. Wii sales are down approx 50% this year in Japan, and have been down over 40% in the US since April, even while DS sales got a big boost from the DSi launch in bothy the US and Europe.
# 5. Whie Wii prices have dropped all acorss the world by 20%, the DS actually had a price INCREASE when the DSi was launched

Given all the above, its reasonable to estimate, that the DS accounted for over 50% of Nintendo's sales and profits since April this year. I'd make the split, $400 million for the DS and $300 million for the Wii, which would make Wii profits in the same ball park as the XBOX 360 profits.

Your number magic is as much wrong, as it is pointless:
"This year is the best year by far for the PS3 in Japan since the PS3 was launched. Same with the 360."

No, this isn't true, At the beginning of November, the PS3 had sold a total of 1,164,251 units in 2009. It's japan lifetime sales at the same period were 3,786,719. Simple math shows you that this isn't the "by far" the best year for the PS3 in japan.

Please don't come again with "the UK/PAL charts". There are UK charts, there isn't anything like PAL charts, there is an annual Software report of 2003 on the chart track website for the european software sales, but this isn't anything like charts. Stop telling everybody there are PAL charts, if you can't name a source, where we can look them up. And again, charts without sales numbers are not usable to compare sales figures and performance of a games.

"I also pointed out that COD4, was the top selling game for Christmas 2007 in the US, and easily outsold Nintendo's Wii game, Super Mario Galaxy with plenty of room to spare..and that was just on the 360 alone."
You keep contradicting yourself again and again. This was, what you wrote:
"And it's going to be the #1 selling game for both November and December in both the US and the UK(just like COD was in 2007). "

From this statement I would believe, that a) you have acutal figures how the game did in the months November and December in the UK and that it stayed on the number 1 Spot in the UK charts for more then 2 of the 8 weeks, which wasn't the case.

if "a game is selling even just 2,000 units per week, and it sells that every week, that makes it nearly 800,000 for the year."

In my universe, this game would sell 100000 units in a year. And sales figures have everything to do with long legs. If you don't have sales figures, you can't see if a game has really long legs, or if the overall sales figures are so low, that even a couple of thousand units are enough to appear in the charts.
I don't have sales figures about the european software market, it's a shame, but there are none, this leads straight to the fact, that there can't be PAL charts. The different countries have their own Top10, but without sales figures you can't compile PAL charts from them, this is a question of logic, cause the size of these countries varies and the number of units sold also, to compile PAL charts the reflect the reality you had to know the sales figures behind the chart positions. Otherwise you can't put anything in perspective. So neither me, nor you can say how well COD4 performed. All we can say is that it appeared in the second half of the UK Top40 for 2 years.

And can you please stop posting again and again the US sales figures for MW1 Nov 2007-Feb 2008? Nobody ever doubted these figures or the fact that Super Mario Galaxy was outsold by MW1, I don't understand why you keep posting this the fourth or fifth time now.

@ Christian Keichel:


"You say "360 console sales rocketed up in the UK in the week that MW2 was launched. Sounds like the game sold plenty of consoles to me." I ask you for sources, you can't bring any."

You haven't asked for a source, but since you now ask, I'll show ya where I got that from.

# 1. Everyone who buys a new XBOX console in the UK, gets this two Xbox 360 Games - "Pure" and "Lego Batman" thrown in for free.
# 2. So therefore, when XBOX console sales go up, those 2 games(Pure and Lego Batman), shoot right up the UK charts.
# 3. In the week that MW2 was launched, Pure and Lego Batman on the 360 shot straight up the UK charts, right up to # 9 and # 10. Those games have never even been close to that high in the charts for over a year. They are old games. The only reason they are in the UK charts now is because they are being bundled with new XBOX console purchases.
Unlike the US NPD, Charttrack UK DOES count bundled games as game sales.

Top 10 Charttrack UK charts MW2 launch week:

Week 46, 2009 - Individual Formats (Units)

01 (__) 360 Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (Activision Blizzard)
02 (__) PS3 Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (Activision Blizzard)
03 (02) WII Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo)
04 (01) WII Wii Fit Plus (Nintendo)
05 (__) PC Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (Activision Blizzard)
06 (04) 360 Forza Motorsport 3 (Microsoft)
07 (10) WII Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo)
08 (06) 360 Fifa 10 (Electronic Arts)
09 (20) 360 Lego Batman: The Videogame (Warner Bros. Interactive) *
10 (21) 360 Pure (Disney Interactive Studios) *

http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/uk/archive/index_test.jsp&ct
=110032&arch=t&lyr=2009&year=2009&week=46

Notice the "Pure" and "Lego Batman" in the top 10 right there?
That's strong XBOX 360 consoles sales from the MW2 luanch starring at you right there.
Easy.

@ Christian Keichel:

"No, this isn't true,"

Oh yes it is.
PS3 sales so far this year are UP 54%.
That is by far the best Jan to mid-November sales ever for the PS3 since launch.
360 sales so far this year are up 35% so far this year.
That is by far the best Jan to mid-November sales ever for the 360 since it was luanched.
Wii sales for Jan to mid-November so far this year are DOWN a massive 47%. That makes this the worst Jan to November sales ever for the Wii in any year, outside the launch year when the Wii was luanched in November of course.

YTD 2009 as compared to 2008:
Wii: -47.8%
PS3: +54.3%
X360: +35.0%


"At the beginning of November, the PS3 had sold a total of 1,164,251 units in 2009. It's japan lifetime sales at the same period were 3,786,719. Simple math shows you that this isn't the "by far" the best year for the PS3 in japan."

Ummm.. I think you may have to look at your English comprehension skills here buddy.
Read again, and try and understand will ya?
I said "This YEAR is the best year by far for the PS3 in Japan since the PS3 was launched. Same with the 360."
Operative word here is YEAR.
Get it?
This is the best YEAR for the PS3.
No one said anything about Life to date sales.
We are talking about YEAR, as in 365/366 days?
Go look it up in a dictionary sometime will ya?
You are getting more confused by the minute.
You may neeed to go take some Advil.
Poor guy.

@ Christian Keichel:

"You keep contradicting yourself again and again. This was, what you wrote:
"And it's going to be the #1 selling game for both November and December in both the US and the UK(just like COD was in 2007). "

No contradition there.
COD 4 WAS the best selling game in the US in Nov/Dec NPD for 2007.
I will re-post the NPD charts for the 4th time ...NPD COD 4 sales from 2007
November 2007
1. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 1.57 million
7. PS3 Call of Duty 4 - 444,000

December 2007
1. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 1.47 million
11. PS3 Call of Duty 4

January 2008
1. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 330,900

February 2008
1. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 296,200

COD4 outsold Mario Galaxy 2(Wii) by a massive 500,000 in Nov/Dec 2007.
COD4(aka MW1) on the 360 alone, was the # 1 selling NPD game in the US for FOUR STRAIGHT MONTHS!
It easily blew Mario Galaxy out of the water.
Combine COD4 on the 360 and PS3 and COD4 was by far the best selling game for Christmas 2007, and Jan/Feb 2008. It wasn't even close!

@ Christian Keichel:

"In my universe,"

What universe is that?
Mars?
You appear top be living in some alternate universe right there.

" this game would sell 100000 units in a year. And sales figures have everything to do with long legs. "

Let me try again.
Right now, we have launch sales figures for MW2.
By using percentages, I am able to calculate week 2 sales figures ffor MW2.
But for most of next year, Chartrrack will never give out actual weekly sales figures for MW2 or most games, unless some new games breaks some record.
However, since we have the initial sales figures, we know that MW2 total sales WILL always be bigger than 2.03 million.
Also, charttrack tell us when any game exceeds a million units sold. So if MW2(PS3) exceeds a million, Charttrack will tell us through an ESLPA award.
COD4(360) eventually exceeded a million, even though it never hit even 500,000 when it was luanched in November 2007, so we know COD4 sold plenty of units in 2008 and 2009.
If you look at ESLPA, you will find out that COD4(360) is amongst only 15 games in UK history that have ever sold more than 1 million. look it uop right here:
http://www.elspa.com/?i=3946

"If you don't have sales figures, you can't see if a game has really long legs, or if the overall sales figures are so low, that even a couple of thousand units are enough to appear in the charts. "

Again check the ESLPA Diamond award charts right here:
http://www.elspa.com/?i=3946
COD4 DID win the diamond award. That means it sold over 1 million.
Agian, when the game was launched in Novmber 2007, sales were not even close to a million, not even 500,000, so all those weekly charts appearances, eventually added up and carried it over the 1 million sales mark.

COD4 launch week in 2007:
www.charttrack.co.uk/index.jsp...t/index_test.jsp&ct=110032
www.charttrack.co.uk/?i=497&s=1111

"Ummm.. I think you may have to look at your English comprehension skills here buddy.
Read again, and try and understand will ya?
I said "This YEAR is the best year by far for the PS3 in Japan since the PS3 was launched. Same with the 360."
Operative word here is YEAR.
Get it?
This is the best YEAR for the PS3.
No one said anything about Life to date sales.
We are talking about YEAR, as in 365/366 days?
Go look it up in a dictionary sometime will ya?
You are getting more confused by the minute.
You may neeed to go take some Advil.
Poor guy. "

I do the simple math for you, ok, at least you seem to have problems with that:
2009 Sales of the PS3 in japan:
1,164,251
Got that? Ok next add lifetime sales in japan to the mix
3,786,719
Next step, ask yourself how long is the PS3 on the market? 3 years. OK, last step:
Lifetime sales : Number of years on the market
3786719 : 3 = 1262239 you see, the PS3 is still around 62000 units away from the average sales of all 3 years. No take in account, that in 2008 the PS3 sold lesser units in Japan, then in 2007 and you can easily see, that 2007 is by far the best year the PS3 has seen in Japan.

"You keep contradicting yourself again and again. This was, what you wrote:
"And it's going to be the #1 selling game for both November and December in both the US and the UK(just like COD was in 2007). "

No contradition there.
COD 4 WAS the best selling game in the US in Nov/Dec NPD for 2007.
I will re-post the NPD charts for the 4th time ...NPD COD 4 sales from 2007
November 2007"

No, please not again. What you said was, that MW1 was the best selling game in the US and UK. But you don't have sales figures how the game did in the UK. All we have are Top10 ratings and in this Top10 it was only the number one game in 2 out of 8 weeks.

And yes, the XBox360 sold much better, then in previous years, but this doesn't mean the XBox360 sells good or even acceptable in Japan. This machine sold only a fraction of what the PS3 or the Wii in japan sold and this, by being on the market for 12 additional month. It took the XBox360 39 month to pass the million in japan. I think it safe to say this machine has failed in japan, even if it sells now a little bit better then before.

Lego Batman began appearing in the charts from the week of october 24th and is steadily climbing since that point. This is 3 weeks in prior of MW2, you say this is because of MW2, but in fact it is because in the week of october 24th this specific bundle was released. There is no coincidence with MW2 here, cause this was prior to the launch of this game.

And by the way, you write "You haven't asked for a source, but since you now ask, I'll show ya where I got that from."
In fact, I asked you for a source several times.

"COD4(360) eventually exceeded a million, even though it never hit even 500,000 when it was luanched in November 2007, so we know COD4 sold plenty of units in 2008 and 2009."

You loose me at the point, where you claim the game didn't sell 500k copies in 2007. Who says so? Do you have numbers?

@ Christian Keichel:

"I do the simple math for you, ok, at least you seem to have problems with that:
2009 Sales of the PS3 in japan:
1,164,251
Got that? Ok next add lifetime sales in japan to the mix
3,786,719"

You continue to have have problems with the English language.
My quote:
"This YEAR is the best year by far for the PS3 in Japan since the PS3 was launched. Same with the 360."
Do you know what a YEAR is?
Go look it up in the dictionary, then come back wil ya?
HINT: A year is NOT equal to lifetime 3 year sales.
AGAIN
PS3 sales so far this year are UP 54%.
That is by far the best Jan to mid-November sales ever for the PS3 since launch.
360 sales so far this year are up 35% so far this year.
That is by far the best Jan to mid-November sales ever for the 360 since it was luanched.
Wii sales for Jan to mid-November so far this year are DOWN a massive 47%. That makes this the worst Jan to November sales ever for the Wii in any year, outside the launch year when the Wii was luanched in November of course.

YTD 2009 as compared to 2008:
Wii: -47.8%
PS3: +54.3%
X360: +35.0%

THIS YEAR, is by far, the best year for PS3 sales in Japan. Period.

You leave me speechless.
"YTD 2009 as compared to 2008:
Wii: -47.8%
PS3: +54.3%
X360: +35.0%

THIS YEAR, is by far, the best year for PS3 sales in Japan. Period."

How do you manage to ignore the fact, the PS3 was released in 2006? The fact, they sold more units in 2009, then in 2008 didn't tell us anything about the sales in 2007.

@ Christian Keichel:

"You loose me at the point,"

Naaaah.
I lost you long ago.
You haven't had a clue what you are talking about from the get go.
You have been merely been spewing out mindless Nintendo fanboy garbage.

"where you claim the game didn't sell 500k copies in 2007. Who says so? Do you have numbers? "

Sigh.
Let me try again.
Maybe I can can get through to that thick head of yours.

COD4 launch, from Chartrrack UK:
"The Xbox 360 version of ‘COD 4’ is huge, claiming 63% of total sales over the formats and is the 11th biggest weekly sell-through ever and second only to ‘Halo 3’ in terms of Xbox 360 titles"
That is right here:
http://www.chart-track.co.uk/?i=497&s=1111

So we know that COD4(360) sold less than Halo 3 at luanch, yes?

So now lets look at the Halo 3 launch itself shall we?
From Charttrack UK, Halo 3 launch 2007:
"It’s no surprise that Microsoft and Bungie are No1 in the All Formats Chart with ‘Halo 3’. ‘Halo 3’ storms in as the second fastest selling game ever in the UK, behind ‘Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas’.
The UK’s love-affair with Rockstar’s PS2 San Andreas almost 3 years ago is still the benchmark for week 1 and lifetime sales. However, the PS2 installed base back then was around 6.6m (after 4 years) – Microsoft have to make do with ‘just’ 1.4m in less than 2 years. Released on Wednesday 26th September for the first time on Microsoft’s Xbox 360 format, ‘Halo 3’ was bought by 1 in 3 Xbox 360 owners in its first week,"

So there we have it.
# 1. 1 in 3 of 360 owners bought Halo 3.
# 2. The 360 itself had an install base of 1.4 million.
Ergo, Halo 3 sold 1/3 of 1.4 million in its first week, giving me 467,000 Halo 3 units sold in the first week, no?

So now when we go back to COD 4, Charttrack tells us that COD4 (360)sold less than Halo 3, so therefore COD4(360) sold less than 470,000.
Easy when you know how.

@ Christian Keichel:

"How do you manage to ignore the fact, the PS3 was released in 2006?"

I ignored 2006 did I?
Tell me this: How many units did the PS3 sell in 2006?
The console was launched in November, no?
There is ZERO chance that the PS3 sold more in 2006 than its selling this year.
If you like I can get total 2006 PS3 Japan sales from launch in November to Decmber 2009 for you.

"The fact, they sold more units in 2009, then in 2008 didn't tell us anything about the sales in 2007. "

True.
But I know that the PS3 did sell less in Jan-Nov 2007 than its done so far in 2009.
Its very easy to get those figures. There are Media Create charts all over the internet.

BTW, the Halo 3 Chartrrack UK link from above is right here. I left it out of my post:
http://www.chart-track.co.uk/?i=484&s=1111

OK, so we know that COD4 sold less then 500k copies in it's first week, but what you claimed was

"Agian, when the game was launched in Novmber 2007, sales were not even close to a million, not even 500,000, so all those weekly charts appearances, eventually added up and carried it over the 1 million sales mark."

This sounds to me, like you want to say, that the majority of the units were sold in the weekly chart appearances of 2008/2009 (this was the thing you were talking about all the time, the long legs fo COD4). But I don't see, why the game didn't could sell 900k copies in 2007 and 100k copies in 2008 and 2009? You don't have any numbers how the game performed in the weeks after launch. But to judge, if a game has long legs, you need to have at least vague sales figures over the period you are talking about.

@ Christian Keichel:

Go to Garaph Info.
They have Japanese console figures for any week/month/year that you want for this generation.
All you gotta do is run an SQL query for whatever period you are looking for.
http://garaph.info/

"THIS YEAR, is by far, the best year for PS3 sales in Japan. "

"by far" isn't the word I would use. This year the PS3 didn't sold as much units as in 2007. They are short away of beating the 2007 sales. The they will have "the best" year, but this is lightyears away of being "BY FAR" the best year. Sony will sell a couple of thousand units more then in 2007, but at a much lower price, so the loss for Sony will be much higher. In terms of profit, this won't be the best year for the PS3.

@ Christian Keichel:

"by far" isn't the word I would use"

You wouldn't would you?
Cause you can't count or add for that matter.

PS3 total sales by year(from Garaph)
2007 1,184,118
2008 977,268
2009 1,176,847 (through 2009-11-16, with the 6 biggest hardware sales weeks of the year to come)

Now given that in 2008, the PS3 sold 290,334 between 2008-11-16 and 2008-12-31, and given that we have the PS3's biggest system seller, FF X III coming up in December this year, its guaranteed that the PS3 will sell at least 400,000 between now and December 31st, giving the PS3 total sales this year of aprrox 1.6 million for the year. That makes this year by far the best year for the PS3 in Japan.


@ Christian Keichel
"This year the PS3 didn't sold as much units as in 2007"

Groan!
Where do you come up with this stuff?
I showed you the garaph site. The least you can do is actually check the figures before posting this crap.

Jan to Nov 15 PS3 Japan sales by year:
2007 : 883,746
2008 : 715,078
2009 : 1,142,095

PS3 sales in 2009 are far ahead of PS3 sales in 2007, Year To Date.

@ Christian Keichel
"They are short away of beating the 2007 sales"

They are far ahead of 2007 sales Year To Date,


@ Christian Keichel
"The they will have "the best" year, but this is lightyears away of being "BY FAR" the best year."

The PS3 sales this year will be by far the best year the PS3 has ever had in Japan, selling to the tune of approx 40% more than any other year.


@ Christian Keichel
" Sony will sell a couple of thousand units more then in 2007, but at a much lower price, so the loss for Sony will be much higher"

Try 400,000 buddy.
Sony will sell at least 400,000 more this year, than they have sold in any other year.


@ Christian Keichel
"but at a much lower price, so the loss for Sony will be much higher. In terms of profit, this won't be the best year for the PS3. "

Make up your mind already.
Are you talking abiut PS3 sales or about PS3 profits?
You keep jumping all over the place. The moment you are conered on sales figures, you quickly switch to bloody profits. You are slipery as an eel.
In any case, the PS3 WILL not make bigger losses this year from the price cuts.
Why? Well because the PS3 Slim costs Sony a heck of a lot LESS to manufacture than the "phat" PS3 used to cost Sony to build back in 2007.

@ Christian Keichel

:"This sounds to me, like you want to say, that the majority of the units were sold in the weekly chart appearances of 2008/2009 (this was the thing you were talking about all the time, the long legs fo COD4)"

Correct.

"But I don't see, why the game didn't could sell 900k copies in 2007 and 100k copies "

Now why don't you show me ANY evidence that the game sold 900,000 in 2007?
You can't because there is none.
On the other hand, all you gotta do is read the weekly Charttrack blurbs, and check the dates that COD4 got it's ELSPA Gold award (200k sales), Platinum award (300k sales), Double Platinum award (600k sales)
and Diamond award( sales of over 1 million).
That tells ya exactly when COD hit various sales points, and I can assure you that COD4 didn't even get the ELSPA Platinum award(300K sales) in 2007, let alone sell 900K in 2007.
I happen to know for a FACT that ELSPA only gave their Platinum award(300K) to COD4(360) in January 2008.
Since COD 4 has sold over 1 million in the UK right now(it has an ELSPA Diamond award), that means that the extra 700K COD4 sales came during 2008 and 2009.

You don't really know much do you?
You just keep spewing out totally random, uninformed nonsense.
Why don't you stop before you embarras yourself further eh?