I want Bethesda to make the PS3 version of the Elder Scrolls 5 to be compatible with the PS Move. The Elder Scrolls 5 with a PS Move control scheme would be EPIC.

I also want Lucas Arts to make a FPS/RPG game like Dues Ex set in the Old Republic era with fully realized Light Saber combat. This would be a killer app for the PS Move if done right. Get to it Lucas Arts!

Both these applications of the PS Move controller would appeal to the Core Gamers.

I also imagine KillZone 3 and Resistance 3 having control schemes that work with the PS Move.

But last but not least I want a new gen version of Bushido Blade with a PS Move control scheme. They would have to keep the one hit kills though! Otherwise it would not be Bushido Blade.

Adam, do you have lists of the developers that are supporting the PS Move and the Natal? If so please do share. :)

"Sony is targeting a price point of under $100 for the camera, controller, and game bundle"
That's a bit worrying. Is the 'controller' just the move, or the move and 'sub-controller'? They also showed games using two move controllers, how much is that going to set you back?
By comparison, natal at a rumoured $50 price point, with two player support built in, could seem like a bargain, especially if Sony can't make the move seem like more than just a wiimote clone.

Adam, I think fail to understand the potential of ports from Nintendo Wii to PSN. I think the biggest winner on all this PS Move control will be PSN developers, since PSN SDK can easily copy almost any successful Wii game, and sell it for a reasonable price.

I bet there are tons of developers playing around with Natal too, don't get me wrong. What I am trying to say is: "don't overlook PS Move potential".

At least that's my point of view.

I can't believe you guys are all talking about Wii ports. This seems way more capable than the Wiimote (maybe it's comparable to the wiimote + motionplus).

When you add in the nunchuck attachment, this thing seems like it has enough buttons to really pull off some hardcore 1:1 motion games.

Uh, Sony announced that 36 companies are supporting it, 20 games this year. I think the only known one is this year Tiger Woods game, but...they have support.

Again, Adam, you say that they have zero support. How do you know that? Do you have a master list of all the third party devs that have signed on? In other words, please back up your statements.

@Ian Fisch - I want Bethesda to make the PS3 version of the Elder Scrolls 5 to be Move compatible. Talk about something to get excited over.

FPS's are also a definite possibility as do TPS's. It would totally cool if Dead Space 2 supported the Move too.

Does this device has a gyroscope inside, like WMP? Or is it based only in accelerometers + EyeToy? Also, does the "sub-controller" has accelerometers just like Nunchuk, or is it not motion-enabled?

I find it hard to believe it will beat Wiimote + MotionPlus + Nunchuk by Sony's only statements.

Well, one of the guys over at Kotaku has some interesting things to say after a hands on experience with SOCOM 4 using the PS Move.

http://kotaku.com/5490574/how-the-playstation-move-is-not-a-wii-remote

@ Alan, by that link it actually looks worse than the Wii solution.

- The "sub-controller" has no accelerometers. So you can not shake it to reload a gun.
- the Move has no built-in gyroscope, so it will face most of the same issues the first games had by using only the wiimote (without motionPlus).
- buttons are replicated in the sub-controller and the Move (look at the pictures)
- I am still not convinced in the aiming capabilities of the controller. Does it has a straight line pointing towards the camera (like an IR pointer) or it figures out the direction by image processing? The latter can be very innacurate.

I guess I will need to test to be convinced. So far, it is less impressive than I have expected. Even the fighting game requires 2 Moves... and that thing is ugly! Seriously, why did they decided to do it like that? I still can not believe that will be in the final product...

That controller looks like it'll suck up batteries (whether external AAs or internal chargeable battery). And if the PSNunchuk is wireless, that's a big problem too! What a nightmare! Could you imagine playing a game, and one controller-half runs out of batteries in the middle of a game?

I feel bad for the Sony hardcore gamers who really enjoyed the traditional DualShock3. In order for the PSMove to succeed, developers would need to seriously devote resources towards making games that use it, which means less hardcore traditional games. And considering all the game developers/companies who were laid off and shut down recently, it'll be even tougher than ever for developers to make business decisions between Dualshock3 or PSMove support.

And what about consumers who have yet to purchase any of the Big 3 consoles? Is this PSMove strong enough to convince them to ignore the $199 Wii and pay $299 for PS3 plus whatever PSMove costs? The technology looks great and all, but so many hurdles will get in the way of its success.

I don't understand at all the suggestion for using motion control in truly "hardcore" games. My arms would be too sore to play a 40 hour motion-controlled RPG!! Motion Control is NOT for "hardcore" games. I think Sony is missing the point. And including the Move with a Wii-Sports clone, is ... lame. It better be the best game they ever made, because every reviewer is going to compare it to Nintendo's efforts. And every reviewer will factor in COST. The cost for your party of four next Thanksgiving/Christmas party. Sony better have something awesome up their sleeves.

Oh, and a thought about 3rd party ports - they're coming. And they will be as successful on the PS3 as they were on Wii....

>> It has endless potential, but basically zero support. <<

[quote]
Following the announcement of PlayStation Move at tonight’s press conference Jack Tretton revealed that 36 publishers will be supporting the new PS3 motion controller. We’ve obtained the full list of third-party publishers pledging their support.

Check out the full list of third-party publishers below:

* 505 Games U.S.
* Activision Publishing, Inc.
* AQ INTERACTIVE Inc.
* ARC SYSTEMS WORK CO.,LTD
* ATLUS Co., LTD.
* Bigben Interactive
* CAPCOM CO., LTD.
* CCP
* Crave Entertainment
* CYBERFRONT Corporation
* Disney Interactive Studios
* Electronic Arts Inc.
* FromSoftware, Inc.
* Game Republic, Inc.
* GUST CO., LTD.
* HUDSON SOFT CO., LTD.
* IREM SOFTWARE ENGINEERING INC.
* Koei Co., Ltd.
* Konami Digital Entertainment Co., Ltd.
* Majesco Entertainment
* Marvelous Entertainment Inc.
* NAMCO BANDAI Games Inc.
* ONGAKUKAN Co., Ltd.
* Oxygen Games
* PAON CORPORATION
* Q Entertainment Inc.
* Q-GAMES, LTD.
* SEGA CORPORATION
* Sony Online Entertainment
* Spike Co., Ltd.
* SQUARE ENIX GROUP
* TECMO, LTD.
* THQ Inc.
* UBISOFT®
* Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment
* Zoo Entertainment, Inc.[/quote]

yep zero support

Whilst it has its uses for hardcore gamers (though probably limited) Move and PS3 price cuts will really get the casual gamers engaged. It's not aimed at the Will Wrights who want to play a RPG for 40 hours. It's going to appeal to casual gamers, kids and families. That's the point. They'll upgrade their crappy graphics Wii and get a PS3. And whilst Will Wright may dimiss the Move as a kids toy the reality is it will appeal to a very large market. NPD data last year 'HOUSEHOLDS WITH KIDS UP TO 12 YEARS OF AGE ACCOUNT FOR 45 PERCENT OF VIDEO GAME INDUSTRY REVENUE' (not my caps). Maybe Will Wright develop a game for it instead of poo-pooing it.....

The problem with Sony is they are trying to capture all markets instead of specializing and focusing on a target like Nintendo and Microsoft are doing. Even if Sony is successful in marketing to casual gamers the price will need to be competitive with Nintendo which I can't see happening. If Sony drops their price of the PS3 to $200 don't you think Nintendo will follow with a price drop of their own? Sony this whole generation has been playing follow the leader and not being very successful.

Nothing interesting about this product at the moment. I'm not a fan of motion controls, so I'm biased. I've played the Wii plenty of times with friends and it just doesn't appeal to me in the slightest. Nothing about Sony's offering has changed that. We'll see what Natal brings to the table but I haven't seen anything there that has me salivating, either.

For those of you who do like the Wii and the motion control stuff, did any of these announcements/demos really get you excited for the launch of the Move?

Sorry Sony, but the kids are already occupied with their wiis. I dont think they'll be bugging their parents for HD graphics, and I doubt parents will want to pony up another $400 for a playstation and move controller. Maybe if you came out with this, oh, say, 3 years ago with lots of developer support, it would have been a good idea.

At least microsoft brought some more innovation to the table. It was probably the more costly route, but assures more success in the long run.

I'm not one generally into the whole "motion control" thing, but I have to admit that Sony's strategy is an interesting one. The problems with the Wii are two-fold: the audience and the tech. Sony's basically delivered what a lot of hardcore Wii owners have been clamoring for: an HD Wii. The use of actual controllers + the Eye Toy makes it look like they're going after both audiences simultaneously.

I do see a few issues here, though. While the nunchuck + PS3mote (HA!) deal will make it easier to bring more traditional gaming experiences into the realm of motion control, the cost of the starter kit on top of the potentially confusing bundles they have lined up seems like a significant barrier to entry.

And if I'm not mistaken one of the minigame collection's.... er... minigames actually requires two Playstation Moves (not the sub-controller) to play. Are they going to be bundling one controller with the game or are players going end up popping the thing in their PS3s only to find that they can't play one of the games?

That said, I'm more excited about the Move than Natal. My problems with the Wii stem from the technical inferiority of the console and the lack of any real incentive for developers to produce interesting "core" experiences for the box. PS3 might provide a little more of that.

It's a cute piece of tech they've got there. I think we're collectivley missing the real point here. It's not about how many studios are going to support the Move, it's about what the install base is going to be.
Think about it, they could sell a million of the things and still not have a large enough install base to make it profitable to develop for. Natal has the same problem. If they can overcome that somehow (maybe include it in every PS3 moving forward for example) then it may work out. Otherwise it'll just be a side peripheral with very limited support, like the EyeToy.

When Nintendo revealed the Wii they knew they had to make an incredible first impression. I'm not only talking about the Wii's debut at E3, but also each and every time a family member or friend plays the Wii for the first time at someone else's home. Wii Sports was a title that instantly appealed to everyone and opened people's eyes to this new from of interactive entertainment.

When I showed my non-gaming friends clips of the Natal demonstration on the Late Night with Jimmy Fallon show, they were all impressed. They saw this as a step up over the Wii. They wanted to try it out right then and wanted to know when it was coming out.

I will be showing these same people whatever GDC footage I can find. Somehow (and I could be wrong), I have a feeling that they won't realize why this technology is better than the Wii, and won't be grabbed by any of the software shown.

I am not saying that this won't be a success. All Sony needs is one great piece of software that will get us all rushing out to buy the Move. I'm just saying that we haven't seen that yet.

As a hardcore traditional gamer I do look forward to HD lightgun shooters on the PS3, something that the Natal won't offer on the 360 due to the difference in approach. I also appreciate the preciseness of the technology and I do think that traditional games will translate fairly decently onto the device. I really wonder if a game like Starcraft 3 can be ported to the PS3 with these controllers.

Despite these feelings, I am skeptical on whether the expanded market is interested in this.

@Jerry: "Casuals are made up mostly by young/older adults. The type that have a job and a life. The type that cannot afford to spend 40 hours watching long arse FMV's and building experience points while they waste their life away."

That's very true, but the question is: How do you convince such people to pay $400 for this experience when they could have the Wii for half that? And if they already have a Wii, how do you convince them that the extra precision and HD graphics are worth buying another console for? These aren't the kind of consumers that are known for splashing out on high end gaming systems after all, nor for buying a lot of software (where the real money comes from) and by the time the PS3+Move gets down to a mass-market price, they might find the mass market already chose something else.
If all they have to show people are HD remakes of wii sports/sports resort minigames, you might find a lot of apathy among the general public.

"^^^^ Haven't you notice Sony talking crap about the Wii lately? How they say that devs are moving to the PS3? Or how Wii users should consider moving on to the PS3? Notice that MicroSoft is not doing that. But only Sony is doing it. Why? Because they know what you just said... they need a user base that adopts the Playstation Move(TM) and they already know where they can find it... on the Wii camp. I expect Sony to aggressively target Wii users with adverts leading up to the release of the Move(TM). "

I'd say this is not even in question...why else would Sony announce the PS Move as the "next generation" of motion control...that's basically like saying "you enjoyed the wii, now enjoy this brand new advanced version". Of course consumers are going to turn around and say "I still don't have 400$ sony".