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You have to savor the irony: xbox live being fascist by banning the swastika symbol, which for many people (eastern religions mainly) is not related to the nazis at all.
Reminds me of their bans on anything that could be interpreted as being related to homosexuality. Yet more reason to never sign up to anything Microsoft. |
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| Eric Geer |
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Well I guess everything will offend someone---
In Monster Hunter Tri--there is a whole slew of words that were blocked out that have no reasons to be blocked.. Ex: After. Think how many times you type after in a day--or if you are working on Mission based quest and say "What do you want to do ***** this?" Apparently--other nations note "after" as a similar meaning to ass. Not sure which ones. But there are countless examples of meaningless censorship. But, I thought for online games--that the content was not rated by the ESRB or other rating board? |
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| Mark Taylor |
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I don't think any game player likes to be lectured on what they can do or think. Since when were Microsoft government? From the beginning, or since the anti-trust suits were 'resolved' ?
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| Joseph Gonzalez |
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So on a console that allows games where you can murder hookers, slang dope, massacre masses of civilians, torture humans, and countless other acts of “depravity”... using a swastika as a logo is somehow crossing the line? Maybe, just maybe MS should focus on development issues and leave the moral babysitting to the individual consumer? Just a thought.
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| Matt Diamond |
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I'm with Microsoft on this one. They're perfectly justified in trying to maximize the community's enjoyment by banning an almost universally abhorred symbol.
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| Mark Venturelli |
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Probably the EULA allows MS to do whatever the hell they want, but I do think that this is a little heavy-handed.
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| Adam Bishop |
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* sigh *
Are we really at a point in time where people STILL don't understand how TOS work? This has absolutely zero to do with free speech and everything to do with showing a base line of respect for other people on a private service. I find it amazing how many people will argue AGAINST acting respectfully. |
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| Aaron Karp |
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I see this as excellent news. While it's true that the swastika has meanings and origins that predate the Nazis by a very very long time, the likelihood that those using it as an in-game logo are speaking to those meanings and origins seems vanishingly small. Listen to the chatter in any online session and you are all but guaranteed to hear a stream of hateful, racist, homophobic, and just plain awful invective. That kind of thing makes the online gamespace very unpleasant to be in, and makes me never want to play online unless it's with friends, avoiding the game channel in favor of private chat. So right away, I'm not getting the full enjoyment of a game, and the tactical possibilities of voice chat are shut out by people who seem to strive to be as offensive as possible. Adding a visual element that can't be muted takes away what little control I have over my exposure to that kind of stuff, and I'm glad to hear that Microsoft is working to eliminate that possibility. I'm always disappointed to see people use free speech as an excuse for being completely inconsiderate and insensitive. Just because you have a right to say something doesn't mean it's the right thing to say, and as Adam Bishop pointed out above, XBox Live is not a public forum.
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| Gregory Kinneman |
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"The Xbox LIVE profile and in game content you create is accessible by everyone. You do not have the context inside of it to explain your long winded contrarian view that your pithy text that violates the Terms of Use or Code of Conduct is actually intended to change people’s minds about a commonly held understanding."
For all of you arguing against Toulouse in these comment, please read the full blog article. He's very clear about why it's inappropriate to use this symbol, while still being fully understanding of the reasons involved. |
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| Matt Cratty |
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Make them change the symbol, but a ban is ridiculous.
I'm becoming less and less amazed at the incompetence that is Microsoft's gaming division. |
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| Eric Carr |
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Did the symbol ship with the game? Or does COD:BO have an emblem creator? I mean, if it shipped with the game, MS should have mentioned it then, not blame people for using the content on the disc.
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| Joseph North |
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First the Gal Gun game developer crisis over in japan, now the Swastika Ban in COD Black Ops. Next will be blood and swearing filters in Xbox live or has that happen yet? I just buy and download the games from them I really don't mess with their Xbox live service.
That being said all I can say is don't bite the hand that feeds you too much Microsoft or you'll might meet with less than desirable results. |
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| Nathan M |
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I saw this dude online this weekend. I was going to report him but he left the room too soon. CAMPER!
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| B. Kiesel |
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Yes the swastika was once a positive symbol in western Europe, and still is in several cultures which were isolated from Nazi Germany's behavior.
However, there is a point when something can be considered "ruined forever" in the public consciousness of the people effected by it. The swastika, has been indelibly linked to evil in the minds of the witnesses and victims of the National Socialist German Worker's party. Which prosecuted the most destructive war in human history, and murdered tens of millions of civilians (In occupied nations as well as the holocaust.), in pursuit of a detestable goal, based on a flawed and ignorant view of the world. Anyone who uses the swastika in an internationally public setting, whether in ignorance or protest, should take a long hard look at what they are associating themselves with in the context of the post Nazi world. The actions of the Nazi party have put a stain on the swastika which will never be entirely cleaned until their deeds pass from the pages of history. Advocating the removal of the Nazi stigma from the swastika, is inherently advocating the forgetting of the atrocities which were carried out under its banner. It sounds harsh, but if you don't want to be associated with or advocate the actions of the Nazi's, you shouldn't publicly use swastikas in an international setting. And if you do want to be associated with or advocate the Nazi's, I hope you crawl into a hole and die. |
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| Aaron Truehitt |
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I positive that players who use swastikas aren't using it to promote some other peaceful thing. Has than been an outcry from a ton of people that say they want to use the symbol because it means something else? No..most are using it because they are indeed jerks or trying to be cool kids on the internet.
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| Cody Scott |
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I only played the first week of game release due to being swamped with school work and only saw one swastika....did it really get that bad that it became noticeable, Im just curious since my 360 has been unplugged for several weeks now.
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| Paopao Saul |
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Bottom line: RTFTOS or GTFO.
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