Fingers crossed for symmetrical processors. :)

Sony, Nintendo, and MS all need to drop developing console hardware and focus purely on their content delivery systems, OSs, and game development.



It's a waste of money and resources to be manufacturing all of these proprietary gaming systems that can never be upgraded.



Media PCs are the way to go as one does not have to replace the entire system just stay on top of future advancements or if a single part bites the dust.



The entire console market is just so wasteful, it's pitiful.

Why not forget future hardware like stream,ps4 and xbox next and simply give people a roku sized box and a gaming version of netflix. The internet would need to be much,much faster and cloud servers would do the

hoursepower as far as graphics go. If everyone had super fast eithernet at next to nothing i'm sure the gaming industry would jump all over not producing discs,boxes,systems and keeping the content under lock n key. The downsides would be just as people still buy cd's even with mog and itunes there would be those who preferred bd games and if there ever was a psn sized crash just as you couldn't watch netflix if the internet went down you couldn't game if it was taken down due to hackers or the internet went down in your area...if you could store the games on an external HDD/ SSD then at least you could play single player provided companys like capcom don't treat you like a thief using terrible drm.



By the way i should be able to have a Master Control Profile where i set up all my controls in my system profile and the games are slaves and obey putting my custom scheme in my game profile because all current presets for dual analog games are worthless to me and i went so far as to get my 360 pads rewired and use a custom pad on my ps3,in a post play ,create and share world where i can't even play my way,well that must change.

It seems like bluray alone will save Sony a lot of money of the investment in their next console. The blu ray diods were the reason the console was delayed a year if I'm not mistaken.



That said, you really have to wonder what the point of developing the cell was. Did it really pay off for Sony in any way what so ever?

I want to see what Nintendo has first. I want to see if they have figure out how to set a standard that no hardware console company seems to have done this generation do to the inovations in the webspace. PS3 is a ten year system so said by Sony themselves. I don't expect a new Sony system in the near future.

As far as the PS4 is concerned Sony should just re-use the Cell design. Just modify it even more for power efficiency, pack in a bigger modern GPU, take care of the on-board bandwidth issue between the various systems, and add in more RAM. Heck, maybe they could even make the Cell and the GPU all on one die with the shortest distance between them and the RAM.

Please Sony and MS, don't pull a Nintendo and release a system with a long lifespan that is slightly to moderately more powerful than current consoles. I want a console that truly deserves to be called next-gen, and I'm meaning the raw power of the machine rather than controllers-perephrials-addon's, etc.

I want a game system that can play games that look like Epic's latest tech demo, Samaritan, at least.

Never is a very long time. Sega will never stop making consoles,nintendo will never have sega as a 3rd party,nintendo will never burn sony and revenge wise sony will never beat nintendo at their own game with ps one/ps2....and on and on. Conventional wisdom is often wrong as we are so used to how things work that when change happens it sideswipes everyone as nintendo did to 360/ps3 with wii or netflix,ipad or my own personal crusade in gaming getting FULL CONTROL of my dual analog layouts.



Resistance and the conduit shouldn't be the exceptions to the rule but the rule. I use inverted aim,toggle rather than hold(force unleashed with toggle for force powers plays infinitely better than force unleashed 2 which lacks it and if you stop pressing the force power it stops-poor design) My control scheme is based in southpaw but i realized when you move on the right stick and freelook on the left keeping the face buttons in default breaks the scheme. Ghostbusters said it best,"Don't cross the streams!!" Guess what happens when you're forced to move your freelook hand over your right hand to access the face buttons,or you could stop moving and DIE!!



I created what I term FULL SOUTHPAW or MIRROR DEFAULT though you could also call it QUINTISON mode after both my psn and xbl gamertag. They're the same



As for the big N,Sony and MS not working together all each need do is create a portal where on the other end is the UI/dash in xbox green,sony XMB or Nintendo channels all done in software and crunched by server farms which means i could have a nondescript roku sized gateway box.



As i told TWC it's no longer about road runner/the internet but netflix or xbl/psn-what you can do on the internet....eventually they will realize it,sooner if discontent subscribers keep telling them so.



Again never is a very long time like when nintendo would never sell rare to ms.

I can see where kinect,waggle etc wouldn't have been released if this was already here we'd all be using dualshocks. However i never said accessory makers couldn't or wouldn't release new gear as rather than systems new input devices would be the only new hardware sold.



Remember after genisis sega started being first out,first out of date which culminated in their exit from hardware fast forward to now nintendo is being first out ,first out of date.



Wii was weak hardware so they need a HD refresh first but while it might exceed both ps3 and 360 when we get to ps4 and xbox next nintendo will again have weak hardware and 2-3 years after ps4/720 release a newer box...see a pattern because i do. Nintendo will quite possibly stop making consoles perhaps not portables but they could also join up with apple and become APPLE-NINTENDO.



Right now i'm just speculating but if apple wanted in like sony and ms before them then nintendo's very popular ip's would make a great fit. Steve jobs lost bungie and halo to ms after it was shown at macworld which i expect they're still fuming over so partner or outright buy franchises that are coveted and you have a launch lineup worth talking about.



The next version of apple tv could be a new console-stranger things have happened.

Yes wii has been the best selling system since the glory days of the nes/snes but who bought it more hardcore gamers like us or people who were put off by the complexity of regular gaming. We all know if you own :360,ps3 and wii you'll spend most of your time with ps3 or 360 though splitscreen party or kid friendly wii is king even with lbp,modnation,sly,ratchet and other kid friendly games on ps3.

I was comparing nintendo vs sega and left out jag,neo geo and 3do because either it didn't take off or was too expensive and imploded at launch.



While nintendo was content to ride both the nes and snes out sega after the success of genesis hobbled the system with sega cd and 32x then released saturn early and at a high price pissing gamers and retailers off alike. Then it was off to dreamcast which they got right but the looming ps2 killed it and dc has also been refered to as xbox 0 sort of a dry run before ms unleashed xbox on the world.



My fear is despite the success of wii stream will fail to catch the gamers wii attracted with a ps3/360 style controller with a screen in it and much better graphics. If ps4/720 arrive between sept -nov 2014 or 2015 stream will be about halfway through it's cycle as nintendo still builds 5yr boxes rather than a 10yr box. So just as i said stream will be the least powerful box again as i expect ps4 and 720 to be 2x-3x more powerful than nintendo who would rush out their next box to compete with the new Juggernaut systems from ms and sony.



Until this happens it's my own expectation however the past likes to repeat itself so this is what i expect to happen.



As for apple the ds lite /wii look like they arrived from the apple design school so with that in mind and no giant company behind nintendo as ms xbox or sony playstation what would be so hard to believe apple nintendo could happen? When others zig nintendo zaggs sounds like apple to me and if it ever happens i expect it to fit like a glove perfectly.



The future's hard to predict but some things are more likely than others and we'll just have to wait n see what happens.

"My fear is despite the success of wii stream will fail to catch the gamers wii attracted with a ps3/360 style controller with a screen in it and much better graphics. "

Nobody knows right now, what features the new system will have, what you are refering to are just rumors.



"If ps4/720 arrive between sept -nov 2014 or 2015 stream will be about halfway through it's cycle as nintendo still builds 5yr boxes rather than a 10yr box. So just as i said stream will be the least powerful box again as i expect ps4 and 720 to be 2x-3x more powerful than nintendo who would rush out their next box to compete with the new Juggernaut systems from ms and sony."

Lots and lots of speculation, nobody knows, when the successor for the 360 or the PS3 will arrive, at this moment, nobody knows, if Sony even will launch a PS4 at all. Point is, Nintendo started in this generation with a system, most people believed to be inferior and now, in it's fifth year, it still has a comfortable lead over the competitors, a lead in Hardware and Software. It has to be seen, were the 360 is in 2014, but it still has a long way to go, before it has the numbers, the Wii has in 2011, not to mention the PS3.

This means, Nintendo can sell in 5 years, what others sell in 8-10 years, so Nintendo is eager to come up with a new system, because they have the chance to release their franchises on a fresh platform and can hope to repeat the success they had with them on this platform.



"Until this happens it's my own expectation however the past likes to repeat itself so this is what i expect to happen."

You are contradicting yourself, the Saturn wasn't inferior to the Playstation, the DC wasn't so much inferior to the PS2, as you speculate the new Nintendo System will be. The 360 was launched first in this generation and succeeded much better, than the original XBox, which was technically superior, but came later in the cycle, or as the N64 by the way, which was also technological superior in certain terms, but failed to succeed, same goes for the Gamecube.

This shows, a relation between the moment, a manufacturer steps in the cycle and his technological capabilities doesn't exist.



"The future's hard to predict but some things are more likely than others and we'll just have to wait n see what happens. "

Here you are right, but given the history of Apple as a NONCONTENT-Provider and it's inability to deliver ever, when it comes to games, it is unlikely, this will ever happen. Besides, this partnership would be useless for Nintendo, because they make lots of money, with their own hardware, why should they let somebody else make the money?

And the success of the Wii and the DS showed, they love to develop hardware, with new features, that haven't been done before and more important, they love to develop this specific hardware with games in mind, that could benefit from it. An approach, that is incompatible with a partnership with whomever.