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  Moore: Xbox's Hard Drive 'Killed' The System
by Eric Caoili
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September 17, 2008
 
Moore: Xbox's Hard Drive 'Killed' The System
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EA Sports head and former Microsoft corporate vice president Peter Moore says that Microsoft's decision to include a hard drive with the original Xbox eventually led to the system's early demise and replacement by the Xbox 360.

"The hard drive in every Xbox killed us; we we're still selling it at $199 and the hard drive was like $70," Moore told UK newspaper The Guardian. "That's why we prematurely left the original Xbox, because the more we were selling – there was still great demand – it was killing us, and there was no way to bring the price down... To this day, people still believe we left the Xbox too early, but it was purely for financial purposes."

To cut its losses, Microsoft decided to refocus its efforts on transitioning in the Xbox 360 when the Xbox reached the 25 million units sold mark. Moore says that the Xbox 360 Core, an entry-level SKU lacking a hard drive and later replaced by the Xbox 360 Arcade, was released primarily so that the company could get the system's price under control.

The former Microsoft executive also described his efforts to broaden the Xbox 360's consumer base with projects like Viva Pinata from developer Rare, which Microsoft acquired in 2002. Moore remarked, however, that the industry had past Rare by.

"It's a strong statement, but what they were good at, new consumers didn't care about anymore, and it was tough because they were trying very hard," says Moore. "But their skillsets were from a different time and a different place and were not applicable in today's market."
 
   
 
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Anonymous
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Well the current HDD situation with the 360 is a mess too.

Claire Blackshaw
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I know a lot of devs complain about the lack of HD guarantee but I don't think it hurts games much thanks to the DVD access times.

Having worked in retail and now working as a dev. I think a lot of people under-estimate the power to bring down the price point.

Brice Morrison
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The 360 Arcade SKU is a huge move, in my opinion. Even as a long time Nintendo fan, the $199 price point made me notice. Only a price like that could have caused the XBox to outsell the Wii in Japan; I don't think any game lineup could have done it.

Isaac Lanier
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Yes all true but to keep sony blu-ray from taking full form the hdd needs to be there for digital download of the movies(Yes i'll be mad i bought a core for $600 to make it pro without the chrome). Not sure how the NetFlix deal works but members of NetFlix should be able to watch the movie over and over again even at friends house with proof of membership. Gold or Silver should not matter for the movies. They could even give 2 day trial membership to netflix, so people can see ever nite is movie nite. Hi-Def
But MS is not going to get rid of the Gold Silver line. Still HDD, 2 day trial of netflix and gold membership, will boost sales of all 3
xbox 360's, netflex, and xbox live, while putting a freeze on PS3 sales.

Isaac Lanier
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Sorry i respect Moore, but the HDD did more to change the industry then kill the xbox. The problem the Wii storage. What killed the xbox rushing to the market and sloppy design. Call the Xbox The Big Body.

Geoffrey Mackey
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MS has a weird HD math there in Washington. I would first would like to point out that even though they dropped the price to $160 for their 120 gig, thats still way to much! Do they not realize if they charged $100 (for something you can get an identical model of for $50 off newegg) they would triple that in downloaded content?

In 2001 how on earth could an 8 gig or 12 gig 5400 rpm (Xbox's had one or the other) cost $70? back then I want to say you could get a 40 gig 7200 rpm retail for $70. There is no way that can be true. Too bad the HD was never really utilized in the Xbox1.

Caswal Parker
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I thought the main cost that was killing the XBox 1 was the licensing fees for the GPU from Nvidia, and that is why they got ATI to develop the chip in the 360 for a one time flat fee as they got burnt badly by Nvidia with the licensing deal and didn't want to make the same mistake. Or am I just completely wrong?

juice uk
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There does seem to be some very selective memories there: the HDD unit in the Xbox may have been a factor (though looking on the wayback machine, you could find a 60gb drive in 2006 for $50 at retail, and I don't doubt MS would be able to leverage a better deal - from memory, they actually switched to using 20gb drives in later machines, with just 12gb exposed to the user) but the key was almost certainly Nvidia's litigation around price controls - unlike a HDD unit, there's no real way to change GPU manufacturers during a console's lifetime.

The comments on Rare are harsh: I think the biggest problem is that MS don't really know what to do with them. Getting them to produce XBLA games would be one route - though MS may wish to avoid doing anything which would hint they overpaid for the company!

juice uk
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Whoops - it was actually 10gb drives partitioned to 8gb. My bad :)

Doug Poston
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@Geoffrey Mackey: You may have been able to purchase a 40GB at the time for $70, but you couldn't find a 12GB for much less then that (at least not in the numbers MS wanted).

Drive prices don't scale 1:1 with the number of bits they can store.


Anonymous
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Also, just because you could buy larger drives for that price doesn't mean MS could've. I believe they had a supply contract in place for those HDD's and the supplier wouldn't reduce the price. Same for for the nvidia GPU's.

Ryan Schaefer
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The HDD in the original Xbox was one of the best things about it and moved the industry forward. Some may disagree, but I think the Arcade SKU is a mistake. Sony got it right by putting a hard disc in every console, they got it even more right by making it swappable.

You literally can't do anything with an Arcade SKU 360. Download like 2 or 3 XBLA games and your card is pretty much full.


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