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I said similar things 3 years ago (http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/ArmandoMarini/20090416/83762/The_Console_Degenera
tion.php) Ben's view seem to be skewed toward some self serving end considering where Ngmoco resides in the industry. Right off the hop, Mobile killing console or PC is misleading. We are lazy monkeys that love to sit on big comfy surfaces and watch big glorious pictures. "Mobile" is not that. Mobile is smaller, more easily digested games. There is a market for all of it, so the future is about getting content that you control to the user over as many devices as possible. Gaming channels are what we'll see 5-10 years from now and game providers will be distinguished by what type of content they pipe through those channels. |
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| Joe Cooper |
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In other news:
1) The death of the PC in 5 years 2) 2013 will be the Year of Linux on the Desktop! 3) Computers can read minds now, I saw a tech demo where they moved a cursor on a screen so it's just around the corner I'm sure. 4) Death rays are just around the corner, I heard Hitler's working on one. etc. They might come out less, they might become thin clients, they might be made by Apple, I dunno. But there is and will be a position for games on the couch with a pad in your hands and a great big screen. People like it and commoditization of whatever will only make it easier to supply this demand. |
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| Jorge Ramos |
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I predict the death of ngmoco in 3-4 years. ;) you heard it here first.
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| Aaron Fowler |
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People are free to speculate anyway they want.
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| Eric Geer |
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What's the point talking about 5-10 years from now..
the world is ending this year! Didn't he hear!?!? But seriously---this is just another dime a dozen opinons list...and has a faint hint of "Nintendo is d00med" in it. |
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| Richard Lyle |
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If memory serves, the PC gaming market was should have died back in the 90's.... So tired of this speculation about the death of consoles and PC gaming, I think there is plenty of room for all to do quite well.
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| Andrew Grapsas |
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You mean... a mobile company is predicting mobile dominance?
Gamasutra should just filter this garbage. It's reducing the quality of reading. |
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| matt klinck |
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Agenda aside, the rise of the mobile market and "freemium" is undeniable. And while I don't see Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo going away; I do see the developers making a shift into mobile and "freemium" a lot more common. EA investing 25 million into mobile development is evidence enough that some companies are making that shift. The most valid point he makes here is companies gravitating to newer markets, which doesn't mean the death of consoles, but instead the spread of gaming content on all platforms which I think we can all appreciate. Especially if that means better quality of content on mobile and "freemium".
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| Ken Love |
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Just like Neil over there, another guy with a BIG mouth that's crying for attention. :-/
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| Kris Graft |
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Whoa! Lots of hate here. So anyhow, I realize that what Cousins says is somewhat controversial (and yes, even though he used to work at boxed game companies, he does work in mobile now).
Yet I only see a couple decent seeds of arguments here about how he could be wrong. I'm not convinced that it's "garbage" or so unbelievable to think that in the year 2022, we might not have a dedicated game console to hook up to a television (PS3 and 360 are already well on their way to being non-dedicated media hubs). Likewise, with the rate that tablets and their OSes are evolving, what's so hard to imagine that in 2022 you might load up an Unreal Engine 5 or 6 FPS on your tablet (did you see Trend 4?), connect it and a controller to a TV and have at it. Is that a "mobile" game in the way that Cousins describes? Yeah, I think it is (see third paragraph). TVs have even begun adopting mobile OSes -- built-in -- hinting at a future of new ways to get games, and traditional ways of playing them (yes, from your couch). I've seen a comment or two here about Nintendo... I still think they're a wild card because they still view video games as interactive toys (that's a compliment), and there might always be a place for them because of their expertise in game hardware. What Cousins is describing is not some kind of Back to the Future hoverboards type future (although that would be pretty sweet). Take a look around, and you'll see that these things are already starting to happen. |
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| Aaron Casillas |
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I predict they shall become the same thing...
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| Jeremy Alessi |
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While everyone's chiming in, I agree with the guy and have agreed from the beginning and I think I wrote the first feature for Gama back in 2008 (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/132290/ilang_syne_a_guide_to_iphone_game_.
php). The future component describes what we now know as Apple TV and AirPlay. It's not so much that mobile as we know it will dominate and these other formats will discontinue. Really, it's simply that mobile will evolve to encompass these other formats. Your game console will be your phone hooked up to a big screen and your PC will be your phone with some other tools attached (keyboard etc.) Really, this is old news now. I think it's important to note that ngmoco was already emerging as a leader in 2008, which means that they were eyeing this market before then, which puts any of our speculation way behind the actions that these guys took. If anything Ben is just chanting the same message that the company has believed in for the past 4-5 years. There's nothing wrong with that. The only difference is that 4-5 years ago everyone would have told him he was crazy and now everyone claims to have the same ideas and understanding now that it's been proven. |
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| Harlan Sumgui |
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And it is important to emphasize that part of his argument is that box/console stuff may not shrink in $ terms (it might even grow), rather he is saying that the mobile space is growing exponentially and the console market is not and will not.
And that means that as a %tage of the market, the couch/console/boxed-retail model will undoubtedly decline, even if in dollar terms it is growing. |
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| Benjamin Quintero |
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I predict that, in 5-10 years:
1) All U.S. citizens will have the right to own their own dooms day device. 2) "virtual" reality is old news. "real" reality is the hot new thing. 3) Social networks will implode when everyone gets tired of reading what their "friends" had for breakfast. 4) Youtube will become the source for all hard hitting news; mostly still nut shots though. 5) People's idea of "news" will be outlandish predictions about a completely uncertain future... oh wait... 6) Fossil fuel will be replaced with goat's blood and ginseng extract. 7) Pencil erasers will be more valuable than gold. 8) The sky will fall, but only 3/4 of an inch so no one will notice. 9) In an effort to clear the US Debt, the president will open a Kickstarter campaign, but end up $25 short of their goal. 10) The gaming population will involve 80% female, 20% male, and males will be mocked as "not real gamers"... As a consequence, all male video game characters are eunuchs to be used as play things by their female heroines. |
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| TC Weidner |
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I totally disagree. Mobile gaming is great, but lets get real I have a large screen tv, with a killer speaker system and a comfy couch for a reason. Its my preferred mode to enjoy my hobby in. Hell even when I pc game I have a special desktop rig, mobile devices can not touch the experience I get from these stationary monsters.
Mobile is great when I am away from my toys, but given a choice, please.. not even close, give me the power, size, and visceral experience of my home set ups. Hell I think they declare PC gaming dead every 5 years for the last 20 years, yet here we are, stronger then ever. |
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| Jeremy Alessi |
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"9) In an effort to clear the US Debt, the president will open a Kickstarter campaign, but end up $25 short of their goal."
Love it! |
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| Maria Jayne |
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This seems more of a hope than a prediction, in 5-10 years, nobody is gonna care what was said right now, the guy saying it probably won't even be employed at the company for whatever reason.
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| Alexander Brandon |
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First, this is quite a range (5-10 years). Second, we've heard about the death of consoles before. I believed it then, but it still didn't happen. In addition, mobile will not kill console. It will definitely put a dent in it. People are interested in arcade experiences more, not the 50 hour plus total with 4-5 hour long sessions we used to enjoy. But that won't prevent them from seeking a large screen, large sound experience. Put simply games will be like film, with maybe 10-20 AAA billion dollar hits coming out once a year and the rest either breaking even or losing money. The hits will all be large format of some sort, be it PC or living room, however they are delivered. But I seriously doubt mobile 3d will match Unreal 4 within 5 years. Maybe 10, but by then we'll all be playing hologram games ;)
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| Adam Bishop |
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"Blu-ray players, camcorders, GPS systems, mp3 players, point and shoot cameras, and even TV sales are down."
I find it hard to be surprised that in a time of worldwide economic turmoil we're not seeing growth in the sales of luxury items like TVs, Blu-ray players, or GPS systems. That's not to suggest that economic troubles are the only reason. I find it highly plausible that increased spending on things like smart phones and tablets is crowding out some of the money people would have otherwise spent on other consumer electronics (just like the growth of the video game industry over the past decade has crowded out some spending on CDs, etc.). But I really dislike it when complex issues like "What is driving broad changes in how people are spending money?" is reduced to such a simplistic answer as "Tablets are taking over!" |
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| Ian Uniacke |
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This sounds like a "Best Of..." poorly thought out arguments from the history of the games industry.
To say that console will be beaten by mobile is to misunderstand the definition of console. Dedicated hardware will ALWAYS have novelty appeal because you are paying a small amount of money pushed in ONE specific direction to see how far we can take technology on that one "gimmick". To use a cogent example, Apple "could" add a 3d screen to the iPod but that would push the iPod to a price of (lets say) 350$. Nintendo on the other hand built a device which is basically the expensive 3d screen with some cheap peripheral hardware. Dedicated hardware will always compete on price and extent of the hardware, but be less attractive with all the other features (eg 3ds' camera). Markets will always have general purpose as well as dedicated niche products. I don't see this changing suddenly because a general purpose device (eg iPhone) has been really successful, just like I didn't see people stop buying phone's when a dedicated device (eg Wii) was really successful. |
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| Joe McGinn |
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Interesting arguments and points raised by Cousins. Don't agree with all of it but as always it's well argued and researched. He's spot-on about some things, like freemium quickly becoming the dominant source of gaming revenue in all world regions.
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| Luis Guimaraes |
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Same thing people said before about the arcades...
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| Stewart Trezise |
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Doesn't he seem a little narrow-minded? Sure the mobile market may be the big money-maker at the moment, but it's definitely not the next natural evolution for the gaming industry. Thousands of small companies can earn good money cloning simple games, sure, but the console (and PC for that matter) is the product of decades of natural selection, refining it to become what we as gamers know and love.
I'll admit, I'm more of a PC gamer, but a grease-covered touch screen will never give me the same level of enjoyment that an XBox or PS3 will, in the comfort of my living room on my nice big TV. Just imagine trying to satisfy the teaming hordes of FPS fanatics with anything less! |
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| David Phan |
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In the spirit of predictions for the industry, here are mine for the next 5-10 months
1. Zynga executives will begin jump ship to GREE & DeNA 2. SWOTOR will go freemium/pay-2-win 3. Tencent will follow GREE & DeNA's path into North America via acquisitions 4. A "Capcom Spouse" will join the fray w/ an industry horror story 5. Apple will dramatically improve app discovery and the way it handles app rankings (ok this one is wishful thinking) |
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| Lex Allen |
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Sorry, but the browser is the future. Mobile will not kill the PC browser. He's just dead wrong.
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| Jakub Majewski |
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Reading the comments here, I think that you guys need to give some thought as to what motivations can hide behind self-serving predictions.
Obviously, Ben Cousins' predictions are self-serving, in that he is predicting that the the branch of the business he's invested his last few years into (and not just at Ngmoco - we're talking Battlefield Heroes at EA, too) will be successful. This is self-serving, in the sense that it's encouraging for investors whose money he needs. But there is another side to this. Ben Cousins has, for quite a long time now, been putting his money where his mouth is. He virtually pioneered the idea of AAA free-to-play games at EA, and then, in the wake of that success, he went off to set up a company that would concentrate entirely on this kind of business. And that's what makes his predictions worth listening to. Yes, he is advertising his business. But he genuinely believes in what he's saying, and he's invested several years of his career, as well as tons of money, into proving this. It's like with Dave Perry and streaming games. I don't recall Dave Perry saying anything about how streaming would kill the console - but he wouldn't be out of place casting such a prediction, and in any case, he certainly has been open about his belief that streaming will revolutionise gaming. And of course, everyone would think, "well, geeze, this guy runs GaiKai, so of course he'd say that". But would Dave Perry be running GaiKai if he didn't genuinely believe this? And Dave Perry's a pretty darned smart guy - and repeatedly successful. He's worth listening to. In the same way, Ben Cousins is also worth listening to. Because he very clearly believes what he's saying. |
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| matt klinck |
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essentially a response to this article lol http://www.edge-online.com/news/dice-mobile-gaming-no-threat-consoles
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| Matt Ployhar |
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It's always fun to speculate on stuff like this though .. isn't it?
I have a slightly different take on the future: 1) If 'Convergence' of the past is any indication of the future. Then you have to logically assume that A) Either Consoles are going to die or B) Consoles are going to have to Evolve. 2) The PC (Personal Computer) is something I'm sure we can all argue about the definition on till the end of the world. However; it's core principle is that it's something... "Personal" to you. The Hardware Platforms themselves also continue to morph to fit our lives & needs. (Example: Desktop to Laptop & everything else in between) 3) TVs ... and the glorified-dongled-on-the-side-Console-DVRs are prime candidates for Convergence ... aren't they? We're already starting to see the tip of that Iceberg. 4) Mobile Smart Phones. Now here's an interesting one. I look at the specs of my iPhone 4. Arguably better on paper & in some ways more capable than the Micron P266 I bought back around ~14 yrs ago. It's pretty safe to assume that SmartPhone: Processors, Drive Capacity, I/O will improve exponentially as well over the next ~5-10 years isn't it? 5) Other very interesting things are taking place at companies like Microsoft - which recently announced the same code base/stack being able to light up here pretty soon across ALL Platforms/Devices. The signficance here is that Game Devs can write an App once & then have it light up across pretty much any screen you want. Won't happen overnight... but that's the direction we're all heading if they're able to deliver. 6) Look at the Game Engines themselves. They're increasinginly also moving in the same direction as the 5th pt I just made. Sweeney's article here helps to collaborate some of that: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/173072/Epics_Sweeney_Platform_convergence_fre emium_the_inevitable_future.php So this begs the question.... what really is a PC? Console? SmartPhone? Tablet-PC/iPad SmartTV at the end of the day other than a bunch of Transistors & Pixels? When Devices can all talk to each other.. the real winner is the one that is able to deliver the best experience to you & me with the least amount of hassles. Proprietary (Consoles) & other devices tend to lose their luster the closer the industry gets to that longer term vision. Ben's prediction of the future - his keynote - might be a little closer than most people give him credit for. |
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| Bob Allen |
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Let's see. In the last week we've had an article from about a guy who runs a free-to-play MMO predicting that all MMOs will be free-to-play (eventually).
Now we have a guy whose whole business model (his very financial livelihood) is mobile and cloud gaming predicting that consoles will be dead soon. If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. |
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| wes bogdan |
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Well myself i could see future "consoles" being as small as a roku 2 which would connect us to sony,ms and nintendo portals where all the games reside -think netflix + psn/xblm/nn so we could access games of yore like netflix and if we wanted to buy something the digital store's right there.
By 2022 our roku sized puck might have a 5-7+" touchscreen and using a usb 3.0+ cable to charge the gamepad the way ps3 pads are similarlly charged now wouldn't be out of the question but myself i prefer deeper games like zelda over angry birds though ab kills lines fast that's it's real purpose not taking on zelda. As for freeminum i'd hate to see my game series changed where helth packs,dungon keys ,pso rare items weapons or ammo for weapons either mag's or energy cells are in games but can be bought with real money as they're now on a timer and if your lucky enough to get some good swag you must now wait 3,5,12 hours before it appears in game again!! Heck even rainbow moon let's you spend around $11 and gives you lots of cash and much more upgrades (pearls) and me3 also gives you the opertunity to simply buy as in game funds are slower and there's no importing your me2 or simply me3 single player arsinal. If it's .25 a mag,health pack and more for weapons,upgrades or gear forget that i'd rather finish the backlog i have than EVER jump through those hoops in every single game though i have played me3 and rainbow moon it's not down to real money for everything and i mean everything which i'd consider a worst case senerio. |
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| wes bogdan |
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Here's another example fall of cybertron you could unlock more robot parts as you play but to equip/use them costs real money or darksiders 2 as you unlock skills again to equip costs real money or same deal in borderlands 2.
That would rub me the wrong way like you know we blocked certain content out so you must pay for content already in your possesion. I have no problem adding extended gameplay in the form of new maps,missions or the like but i feel doubble diped on buying characters simply because capcom locked them and unlocking costs money. Talk about wierd in years past capcom would try and make the best game possible before shipping not after $59 how much more can we get from them out of this release. |
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