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 New Super Mario Bros. Wii  Sees Biggest Wii Debut Ever In Japan
New Super Mario Bros. Wii Sees Biggest Wii Debut Ever In Japan
December 7, 2009 | By Leigh Alexander

December 7, 2009 | By Leigh Alexander
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Nintendo's New Super Mario Bros. Wii has sold 936,734 units in its first week in Japan -- the biggest debut to date for a Wii title in that country.

The figures come courtesy of Famitsu, translated by consumer weblog Kotaku. This release performance means NSMB Wii has outdone Nintendo's previous chart-crusher, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, which sold 816,000 units in its debut week.

In its release week, NSMB Wii led sales on Nintendo's platform in the U.S. and UK as well as Japan. Along with Activision's Modern Warfare 2, it appears likely to lead holiday sales for the balance of 2009.

Some analysts have predicted the game can actually beat the record-breaking Modern Warfare 2 in terms of worldwide lifetime sales -- especially due to Mario's advantage in Japan, where MW2 is not a particularly popular franchise.

EEDAR's Jesse Divnich points to the longer legs a rare franchise successor like NSMB Wii can have as opposed to one that receives regular installments, and suggests Miyamoto's latest full project could sell 15 million units in its lifetime.


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Taure Anthony
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Let's win Nintendo!!!

Ken Masters
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Even disregarding Mario's advantage in Japan, it'll outsell Modern Warfare 2's life-to-date in America and Europe. Expect to see fireworks when that news comes about - similar to the meltdown when Wii Fit outsold Halo 3.



Also, this is just 4 days of data. Not full week - December 3 through December 6.



It would've far exceeded a million copies had it been a full week.

Kevin Jones
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@ Ken Masters





"Even disregarding Mario's advantage in Japan, it'll outsell Modern Warfare 2's life-to-date in America and Europe"



There is zero chance of that happening.

I won't even bother to add in US MW2 sales for November.

I am going to take just UK sales of MW2 so far, versus Japan sales of Mario so far.



UK MW2 sales:

Week 1 : 1.78 million

Week 2 : .25 million

Week 3 : .17 million

Week 4 : .16 million (according to Charttrack, MW2 sdales were down only 7% this week)

Total MW2 sales in the UK alone in just 4 weeks : 2.36 million.



http://www.chart-track.co.uk/?i=747&s=1111

Total MW2 UK sales in 3 weeks: 2.2 million



Total NSMN(Wii) sales in Japan so far: 936,734

MW2 is ahead by a massive 1,423,266



And we haven't even added in the huge US MW2 sales that will come out in NPD on Thursday, where MW2 total sales will simply destroy NSMB (Wii) sales). Nor have we even added in MW2 sales on the PC.

It's not even going t be close.



"Also, this is just 4 days of data. Not full week - December 3 through December 6.

It would've far exceeded a million copies had it been a full week."



MW2 sold a staggering 1.23 million units in the UK alone units in just ONE DAY alone. It didn't need 4 days to rack up that record.

By 5 days MW2 had sold a stunning 1.78m units just in the UK.

And the UK population is half what the Japanese population is.

Roberto Alfonso
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Kevin, wanna bet?



Call of Duty is extremely front loaded, people buy it on day one to play it immediately (much like Halo and Grand Theft Auto). Note that, according to the numbers you posted, it sold 75% of its life to date sales in its first week, and is very quickly fading away. Mario games sell through their lives, usually strengthening their sales as time passes.



I would exaggerate that for a Mario game to sell almost a million in its first week is, comparatively, having Call of Duty sell 10 million in a single day, to put things in perspective.



Let's see how many copies sells Mario in its next three weeks to compare the drops in a hardcore title like Call of Duty title and a casual friendly one like Mario. I am sure we will be seeing something similar to the Call of Duty 4 vs. Wii Fit, where CoD took advantage during the first months, but in the end Wii Fit turned out to outsell it 1.5 vs 1 worldwide.

Kevin Jones
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@ Roberto Alfonso





"Kevin, wanna bet?"



You bet.





"Call of Duty is extremely front loaded, people buy it on day one to play it immediately (much like Halo and Grand Theft Auto)."



The highest selling game in British history is Brain Training.

http://www.casualgaming.biz/news/28852/Dr-Kawashima-breaks-UK-sal
es-crown



That game has sold 3 million copets, and it took it 3 years to sell those 3 million copies.

MW2 is already at 2.4 million after just 4 weeks.

It has every chance of overtaking Brain Training as the highdest selling game in British history.



" Note that, according to the numbers you posted, it sold 75% of its life to date sales in its first week,"



LOL!

That "life to date" you are talking about is just 4 weeks, not even one year.



" and is very quickly fading away. "



MW2 has outsold NSMB (Wii) in the UK every single week since both games came out, inlcluding this week's figures. So even after after selling over 2.3 million units, and after MW2 sales had fallen by over 90% since launch week, it's still outselling NSMB(Wii) every week, and and increasing the gap every week.



"Mario games sell through their lives, usually strengthening their sales as time passes."



With 2.4 million units sold, MW2 has probably outsold every singlle Wii game ever in British history already, including Wii Fit, Wii Play, Mario Kart etc, and is well on it's way to beating the single highest selling game in British history, Brain Training (DS)(3 million sold) in the next 3 months at most.

How do you suppose NSMB(Wii) is going to ever catch up with MW2, when MW2 has already beaten the other Wii games in just 4 weeks then?

Kevin Jones
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@ Roberto Alfonso





"I would exaggerate that for a Mario game to sell almost a million in its first week is, comparatively, having Call of Duty sell 10 million in a single day, to put things in perspective."



Yes.

I would say you are talking utter nonsense.



"Let's see how many copies sells Mario in its next three weeks to compare the drops in a hardcore title like Call of Duty title and a casual friendly one like Mario."



MW2 can stop selling today, and NSMB(Wii) will still not catch MW2's UK sales of 2.4 million even after 2 years.

None of the other Wii games have sold even close to 3 million yet.

Not Wii Play. Not Wii Fi. Not Mario Kart. NONE!

MW2 has. After just 4 weeks.



" I am sure we will be seeing something similar to the Call of Duty 4 vs. Wii Fit, where CoD took advantage during the first months, but in the end Wii Fit turned out to outsell it 1.5 vs 1 worldwide. "



Ummmmm...MW2 sold more in just one week, than COD4 sold in 2 YEARS in the UK!

And, MW2 is already on track to be the highest selling game in UK history.

Your hypothesis doesn't compute.

David Rodriguez
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@ Kevin you have a lot of time to write, love Activision and hate Nintendo at the same don't you?



"No wii game has passed 3 million mark" you say?



Now I know your facts are bad. Do better research on Nintendo and please stop posting your one sided bias arguments on these forums. Having a non-bias out look on the industry is now a given and all everyone can do now is learn from each other (plus you'll save yourself grief from being disappointed). Kevin, Even your BFF Bobby Kotick after talking about COD's huge success said "we're still cautious about the market" fact is, No one knows whats gonna happen next. So tip your hat to Mario and move on with life.

Roberto Alfonso
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It is a bet then, let's see how totals are by December 2010 ;-)



"It has every chance of overtaking Brain Training as the highdest selling game in British history."

Three titles combined against one? Could be. But I doubt we will hear about that, instead they will start splitting the sales between all three platforms. We will see.



"That "life to date" you are talking about is just 4 weeks, not even one year."

Yes, because that is the data we have available right now. Want me to just imagine data?



We will see. After all, Wii Fit bested three versions of Call of Duty 4, and I am sure no single Call of Duty title will ever be able to overpass Wii Fit sales. I am guessing Super Mario Bros Wii could be even bigger than Wii Fit (or than Mario Kart Wii at least, which also outsold every Call of Duty game ever released). However, my bets are long ones: Activision will continue pumping a game per year, while Nintendo takes its time, therefore it is impossible for a Call of Duty game to beat the LTD sales of Wii Fit/Mario Kart Wii/Super Mario Bros Wii. It has already been demonstrated with Wii Fit and Mario Kart Wii, and I am sure it will be repeated with Super Mario Bros Wii. Not sure why it would be different now (just like people expecting the PlayStation 3 to be the best selling console of this generation when the most powerful console in a generation never was the best selling one).

Kevin Jones
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@ Roberto Alfonso





"Three titles combined against one?"



ONE title(MW2) against one title Brian Training(DS).

MW2 has alreaday sold 2.4 million in just 4 weeks.

Brain Training(DS) has sold 3 million in 3 years, making it the biggest selling game in British history.

I would suggest MW2 sales will overtake Brain Traning(DS) UK sales and shatter Brain Training's sales record by at most 3 month's time.

Heck, by the end of December alone, MW2 will probably have sold over 2.7 million in the UK already.





"We will see. After all, Wii Fit bested three versions of Call of Duty 4"



And MW2 has probably already bested the entire UK life to date sales of Wii Fit in just 4 weeks!





"and I am sure no single Call of Duty title will ever be able to overpass Wii Fit sales."



By the end of December alone, MW2 would have sold at least 13 million worldwide.

First week MW2 sales alone were approx 8 million, and that was before the big Christmas shopping season and Black Friday shopping.





"But I doubt we will hear about that, instead they will start splitting the sales between all three platforms"



If(or rather when), MW2 sales overtake Brain Training (DS) UK sales, Charttrcak will issue out an announcment, like they usually do on such great occasions.





"therefore it is impossible for a Call of Duty game to beat the LTD sales of Wii Fit/Mario Kart Wii/Super Mario Bros Wii"



Not only is it possible, MW2 WILL beat NSMB(Wii) in LTD sales, with plenty of room to spare.

You forget that the Modern Warfare versions of COD are far more popular than the World at War versions of COD.





"It has already been demonstrated with Wii Fit and Mario Kart Wii, and I am sure it will be repeated with Super Mario Bros Wii"



Compare MW2 sales to COD4 sales.

MW2 sold more worldwide in just one week, than COD4 sold in Nov and Dec 2007 combined.

MW2 is a vastly bigger frranchise now than COD4 ever was.





"just like people expecting the PlayStation 3 to be the best selling console of this generation when the most powerful console in a generation never was the best selling one"



You analogy sucks big time.

PS3 didn't shatter sales records when it launched.

MW2 has shattered every single video game biggest launch ever speed sales record out there already.

Kevin Jones
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@ David Rodriguez





"Kevin you have a lot of time to write, love Activision and hate Nintendo at the same don't you?"



I call it as I see it.

If you can't handle the truth, don't read it.

If I remmember correctly, I called out Activiison when they tried to claim that GH5 was outselling Beatles Rock Band by some big margin, because my own reserach clearly indicated that was utter rubbish ( something that was borne out when the NPD numbers came out).



""No wii game has passed 3 million mark" you say?"



Correct.

No Wii game in the UK has sold more than 3 million.





"Now I know your facts are bad"



Yeah?

Now why don't you show me when ANY Wii game sold more than 3 milliion in the UK then eh?

I'm waiting......





"Do better research on Nintendo and please stop posting your one sided bias arguments on these forums."



By all means..if you would top posting garbage like the one you just posted.





"Having a non-bias out look on the industry is now a given and all everyone can do now is learn from each other "



Chortle!

Thus spake the resident Nintendo shill.





" Even your BFF Bobby Kotick after talking about COD's huge success said "we're still cautious about the market"



Everyone is cautious about the economy. Your GF Iwata himself said Wii Japan sales are not doing so great in Japan. That has nothing to do with MW2 versus NSMB sales. Both games are affected when the economy is bad, no?





"So tip your hat to Mario and move on with life. "



After you have bowed to the fastest selling game in history, and the biggest entertainment launch ever, Modern Warfare 2.

Ken Masters
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@ Kevin Jones - I don't need to even read all of what you said in your back in forth with David and Roberto. You're just so wrong!



Bookmarked! You're gonna eat so much crow Kevin it's not even funny.



I'm glad David and Roberto are here as witnesses in case you ever try to come back to this story and edit your comments in order to save face!

John Giordano
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I think Kevin and Robert/Ken should make a bet of NSMB Wii vs. MW2 Lifetime sales. The loser is banned from from posting Gamasutra comments. Hows about it guys?

Kevin Jones
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@ Ken Masters



"You're just so wrong!"



That is like Obama condemning the white police officer before he had even heard the details of the Gates case.

It didn't make sense then. Yours doesn't make sense now either.



"Bookmarked! You're gonna eat so much crow Kevin it's not even funny"



From the sales figues so fo far, all I am eating is caviar. You are the one's that have been eating crow.

When NPD November software figures come out, and MW2 blows NSMB(wii) out of the water, you will be eating more crow than usual, that's all.



"I'm glad David and Roberto are here as witnesses in case you ever try to come back to this story and edit your comments in order to save face! "



To start off with, you can't even edit posts on here.

In addition, don't assume everyone is underhanded like you are.

Ken Masters
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@ Kevin Jones:



Yeah, you're eating caviar now while MW2 is in its front-loaded loftiness. Yes, MW2 will blow NSMB Wii out of the water in November, but it won't have the legs that NSMB Wii has - it just WON'T!



You can edit comments on here, but no matter, talk all the trash you want for now - I'm done with this comment section until your crow is warm and ready to be served.

Kevin Jones
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@ Ken Masters





" I'm done with this comment section until your crow is warm and ready to be served. "



When pigs fly.

Meanwhile, I'll be quite happy to continue serving you even more helpings of crow when November's NPD figures come out on Thursday. How would you like it served? Warm or cold?

Kevin Jones
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@ Ken Masters





"but it won't have the legs that NSMB Wii has - it just WON'T"



COD4 launch NPD sales figures, from November 2007:



November 2007

1. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 1.57 million

2. Wii Super Mario Galaxy - 1.12 million



December 2007

1. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 1.47 million

2. Wii Super Mario Galaxy - 1.40 million



January 2008

1. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 330,900

7. Wii Super Mario Galaxy - 172,000





February 2008

1. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 296,200

(No Wii Super Mario Galaxy )





March 2008

9. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 237,000

(No Wii Super Mario Galaxy)





April 2008

10. 360 Call of Duty 4 - 141,000

(No Wii Super Mario Galaxy)





That was 4 straight months at # 1 for COD4 and 4 straight months of COD4 beating Wii Super Mario Galaxy.

Wii Super Mario Galaxy dropped out of the NPD top 10 charts altogether after only 3 months, never to appear again.

John Giordano
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Super Mario Galaxy is still beating Call of Duty 4 on the 360 according to vgchartz.com despite being a pretty big failure in Japan (only 250,000 first week).



Also, if you want to talk legs, why not use New Super Mario Bros DS or Mario Kart Wii for comparison?

Roberto Alfonso
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Now the question is, will New Super Mario Bros. Wii be more similar to Super Mario Galaxy or to Mario Kart Wii/New Super Mario Bros DS? For the opening in Japan, it looks like it will be as big as New Super Mario Bros DS.



Anyways, let's see how it goes in a year. This is not NeoGAF (even though Kevin Jones appear to have appeared straight from PS3Forums) so no ban bets, but we will remember this ;)

John Giordano
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" MW2 sold more worldwide in just one week, than COD4 sold in Nov and Dec 2007 combined. MW2 is a vastly bigger frranchise now than COD4 ever was. "



As Ken said, MW2 is not a bigger franchise, just a more front-loaded franchise. The core audience now trusts Infinity Ward because of a good reputation, so they responded by preordering the game in massive numbers, and also in buying the game sooner rather than later.



There is no indication that the market is being expanded with MW2 other than the normal growth of the user base. However, with New Super Mario Bros Wii, the market is certainly being expanded and is introducing (and especially reintroducing) a new audience to gaming.



This will only show through in the long term as these new gamers are not going to initially trust Nintendo as core gamers trust Infinity Ward. It will take time for the word of mouth to build, but like with Mario Kart Wii and New Super Mario Bros DS, the lifetime sales will be quite high as this game continues to sell after several years.

Kevin Jones
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@ John Giordano





"Super Mario Galaxy is still beating Call of Duty 4 on the 360 according to vgchartz.com despite being a pretty big failure in Japan (only 250,000 first week)."





Yeah?

# 1. Vgchartz is full of fake, made up figures. No one in their right minds quotes vdgchartz.

# 2. Worldwide, COD4 has vastly outsold Super Mario Galaxy LTD, by at least 5 million units. It's not even close.

Kevin Jones
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@ Roberto Alfonso





"Now the question is, will New Super Mario Bros. Wii be more similar to Super Mario Galaxy or to Mario Kart Wii/New Super Mario Bros DS? For the opening in Japan, it looks like it will be as big as New Super Mario Bros DS."



# 1. The DS has an instal base of 28.5 million in Japan. The Wii only has an install base of 8.7 million in Japan(less than one third the install base of the DS in Japan). Having fantasies that NSMB(Wii) will sell the same number of units as NSMB(DS) is just plain dumb.

# 2. It wouldn't matter either way. Worldwide, MW2 will still destroy NSMB(Wii) in LTD sales even if NSMB(Wii) has as much legs in Japan as NSMB(DS) did.

Kevin Jones
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@ John Giordano





"As Ken said, MW2 is not a bigger franchise, just a more front-loaded franchise"



And Ken is right how?

He's been wrong on everything so far.

MW2 IS a much bigger franchise than COD4 ever was.

In the UK, where we have figures so far, MW2 already sold more in just one week, than World at War has sold since it was launched over a year ago.

Just think about it for a minute will ya?

COD World at War on the 360 was launched a year ago, and it has still not sold a million in the UK yet, yet MW2 sold a million on the 360 in the UK in just ONE WEEK, and MW2 is still the # 1 selling game in the UK this week(al formats charts), for the 4th straight week!

In addition, MW2 has probably sold more in just 4 weeks, than COD4 has sold in TWO YEARS!

There is no question, that MW2 is a much bigger franchise than COD4 or COD WaW.



"There is no indication that the market is being expanded with MW2 other than the normal growth of the user base"



What would you call the fact that MW2 on the 360 has sold over a milion in just ONE WEEK, even while CoD WaW on the 360, which was luanched OVER A YEAR AGO, has still not sold even 1 million yet?

That is your "indication" right there for ya.

You need to get ya head out of the sand, and stop being an ostritch, face the facts, and stop being a Nntendo shill for change.





"However, with New Super Mario Bros Wii, the market is certainly being expanded and is introducing (and especially reintroducing) a new audience to gaming."



Chortle!

Here we have irrefutable sales figures evidence that MW2 has vastly expanded the market for Call of Duty games, yet you deny it. Yet at the same time, with ZERO evidence, you turn round abd glibly try and claim that NSMB(Wii) has expended the market?

Expanded the market as compared to what?

NSMB has never been released on the Wii has it? So what are you comparing it to then?

Kevin Jones
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@ Derek Saclolo



" Super Mario 64 DS is to Super Mario Galaxy.

Mario Kart DS is to Mario Kart Wii.

New Super Mario Bros DS is to New Super Mario Bros Wii."



# 1. The DS currently has an install base of twice the Wii install base, so you can't go about assuming that NSMB(Wii) will sell the same numbers as NSMB(DS) did, especialy since Wii hardware sales worldwide so far this year have fallen approx 40% as compared to last year.

# 2. It wouldn't matter anyway. MW2 is going to end up being one of the biggest selling games of this generation. In the UK, MW2 could end up being the biggest selling game in UK history, overtaking Brain Training(DS) LTD sales within the next few months.

John Giordano
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"# 1. Vgchartz is full of fake, made up figures. No one in their right minds quotes vdgchartz.

# 2. Worldwide, COD4 has vastly outsold Super Mario Galaxy LTD, by at least 5 million units. It's not even close."



In this case, vgchartz seems to be pretty accurate. Here are Nintendo's own figures which put SMG at 8m as of May 2009, nearly the same as vgchartz:

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3174148



Activision said around the same time that COD4's total sales across all platforms was at 13m. So yes, you are right that combined sales of COD4 are 5m ahead of Super Mario Galaxy. However, you were originally comparing SMG to the 360 version of COD4. So my response was simply doing the same thing.



" MW2 IS a much bigger franchise than COD4 ever was.

In the UK, where we have figures so far, MW2 already sold more in just one week, than World at War has sold since it was launched over a year ago. "



Again, this is a false comparison. You first state COD4 as part of your argument and then go on to prove it with figures from COD:WAW, which is not made by Infinity Ward nor is it a part of the "Modern Warfare" series.



" yet MW2 sold a million on the 360 in the UK in just ONE WEEK, and MW2 is still the # 1 selling game in the UK this week(al formats charts), for the 4th straight week! "



I agree with you that MW2 is a fast-selling game, but that doesn't mean it's not front-loaded. MW2 has probably sold 11m so far which is amazing and cool, but that doesn't mean it will sell 20m lifetime. In reality that means it might get to 14, maybe even 15m lifetime total sales, but not much more than that.



" You need to get ya head out of the sand, and stop being an ostritch, face the facts, and stop being a Nntendo shill for change. "



I think I'm facing the facts quite well. It's not hard to see what Nintendo has been able to do over the past several years by expanding gaming to new audiences. They've had remarkable success. But I'm not a big Nintendo fan (last gen for me was all about PS2 and PC games), I simply like being able to introduce a Mario game to my family and not have them be bored to tears.



" Here we have irrefutable sales figures evidence that MW2 has vastly expanded the market for Call of Duty games, yet you deny it. Yet at the same time, with ZERO evidence, you turn round abd glibly try and claim that NSMB(Wii) has expended the market? "



The gameplay of a 2d Mario is far more simplistic than that of a 3d Mario or a first person shooter like Call of Duty. It involves a much simpler control scheme and is easier for most people to see and understand. Since Mario went 3d with Nintendo 64, sales of those games have never been as high as they were with Super Mario World or Super Mario Bros 3. With New Super Mario Bros on the DS though, those sales certainly came back! The Wii version will work the same way to attract new gamers but also ex-gamers that dropped out of gaming when it became too elaborate and complicated for them.



MW2, on the other hand, is simply catering to those who liked MW1 and want more. It's not doing anything to expand the market or appeal to new audiences.

Kevin Jones
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@ John Giordano





"In this case, vgchartz seems to be pretty accurate. Here are Nintendo's own figures which put SMG at 8m as of May 2009, nearly the same as vgchartz:"



I know Marrio Galaxys has sold 8 million woprldwide (as compared to over 13 million COD4's sold).

But then that's not what you said before. This is what you wrote, and I quote:



"Super Mario Galaxy is still beating Call of Duty 4 on the 360 according to vgchartz.com despite being a pretty big failure in Japan (only 250,000 first week)."



That is total nonsense.





"However, you were originally comparing SMG to the 360 version of COD4. So my response was simply doing the same thing."



I was comparing monthly COD 4 NPD US sales to monthly NPD US Mario Galaxy sales, since they were launched in the same month of November 2007.

COD4 (360) easily outsold Mario Galaxy in every single NPD month, not just November and December. In addition, COD4 was the # 1 selling game in American for 4 straight months.

Kevin Jones
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@ John Giordano





"Again, this is a false comparison. You first state COD4 as part of your argument and then go on to prove it with figures from COD:WAW, which is not made by Infinity Ward nor is it a part of the "Modern Warfare" series."



The comparison is just fine.

The franchise is much, much bigger today than it was when COD4 came out in 2007 and when WaW came out in 2008.

In addition, you conveniently leave out the that segment of my post, which read, and I quote:

"In addition, MW2 has probably sold more in just 4 weeks, than COD4 has sold in TWO YEARS!"







"It's not hard to see what Nintendo has been able to do over the past several years by expanding gaming to new audiences"



Ummm..this is not about Nintendo and how many Wii's they have sold.

It's about MW2 sales versus NSMB(Wii) sales.



"MW2, on the other hand, is simply catering to those who liked MW1 and want more. It's not doing anything to expand the market or appeal to new audiences."



Yet MW2 has likely sold more in just 4 weeks in the UK (over 2.3 million sold), than COD4 has sold in 2 years, and it's still the # 1 selling game in the UK in this week's figures.

If that is not expanding the market, what is?

Jimmy Öman
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@ Kevin Jones



The Power of Christ compels you!

Roberto Alfonso
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"# 1. The DS has an instal base of 28.5 million in Japan. The Wii only has an install base of 8.7 million in Japan(less than one third the install base of the DS in Japan). Having fantasies that NSMB(Wii) will sell the same number of units as NSMB(DS) is just plain dumb."

If I use your own reasoning, the Wii install base is almost the same as the PS3 and the Xbox 360 together, so Super Mario Bros. Wii has the same chances of outselling MW2. But if we go with plain facts, the debut for the New Super Mario Bros. DS was 899,518 (ref. "Japanese Sales Charts, Week Ending May 28", http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=9563). New Super Mario Bros. Wii had even a bigger release in a smaller install base.



"# 2. It wouldn't matter either way. Worldwide, MW2 will still destroy NSMB(Wii) in LTD sales even if NSMB(Wii) has as much legs in Japan as NSMB(DS) did."

Just like it will destroy Wii Fit, Mario Kart Wii and New Super Mario Bros. DS? We will see. For now, I will just tell you that the best-selling video games for this generation so far are Wii Play, Wii Fit, Nintendogs, New Super Mario Bros. DS, Mario Kart Wii and Brain Age. How does it feel that the casual market is much bigger than the hardcore elite? ;-)

John Giordano
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" That is total nonsense. "



Why? Super Mario Galaxy and Call of Duty 4 on the 360 are not that far apart in sales and, if vgchartz is to be believed, SMG is beating Call of Duty 4 on the 360.





" The comparison is just fine. "



I don't think so. World of War is not in the same franchise as MW 1 & 2. It's not surprising that it's sales were lower.



"In addition, MW2 has probably sold more in just 4 weeks, than COD4 has sold in TWO YEARS!"



While it probably has done this, that still doesn't refute the fact that this is a front-loaded game. It's more likely that it's lifetime total sales won't reach much farther than COD4. It may end up with ~15m in sales as opposed to 20m+.



" Ummm..this is not about Nintendo and how many Wii's they have sold. "



That was my response to your comment saying I was a " Nintendo shill " and that I should get my head out of the sand. Nintendo has repeatedly proven it knows how to sell games with long legs. On the Wii, they have two 20m+ sellers, Wii Fit and Wii Play. Mario Kart Wii will likely be the third as, even after a year and a half after it's release, it's still selling as high many recent releases. On DS, they have had New Super Mario Bros, Mario Kart, Nintendogs, and Brain Age all reach 15m+ in lifetime sales. Also, for this year, Wii Sports Resort is on it's way to 10m+ for the end of the year. It has shown it's legs and will likely reach 15m-20m sales in a year or so.



So, based on these high numbers, I have reason to believe that they will do these kind of sales again. I wonder how you can look at all this information and still have such little confidence in them. In the end, New Super Mario Bros on Wii seems destined to become another 15m+ seller for Nintendo.



" If that is not expanding the market, what is? "



MW2 has likely sold 80-90% of the lifetime sales of COD4 just in this short amount of time, which I agree is amazing and cool. That, however, does not mean it's expanding the market. Just because a game sells fast does not mean it's expanding the market. Market expansion has to do with attracting new people to the game instead of catering to the previous fans, something Nintendo has done repeatedly (which is probably why you hate them).

Luis Guimaraes
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@Kevin



The point is, 5-8 months ahead there will be a bigger random FPS launch with massive and fine tunned gameplay, and better graphics, and eveybody will move to this game, including you. And MW2 just dies. That is not what happen to pure nice gameplay titles, that's what happens to graphics'n'hype titles.



I also prefer MW2 to Super Mario games, but it's just the truth. I bet you have MW2 yourself, or you're planning to buy it after one year launch? Do that sound smart to do? I don't think so.



Just adding: DS games has strong third-party concurrence. Wii games don't. Mario has the new players, and the old players. Not everybody with a PS3 or 360 will get MW2.

Jonathan Price
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Three-six months from now, tops, no one will be talking about or buying MW2. Some other front-loaded AAA HD game will fill the hype machine, maybe Bayonetta or God of War or the next Halo or something. Meanwhile, NSMBWii will still likely be in the top ten sales. This is generally the pattern of Wii games versus other consoles' games. Remember that Wii Play, said to be the best selling console game of all time, was in the top ten for some 26 months, many times at or near the top. No game on the PS3 or 360 will ever, ever have that kind of longevity.


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